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BMW 5-Series Prices Paid and Buying Experience

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by kyfdx HOST
Aug 04, 2004 (7:49 am)
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At one time this year, there were incentives on the 5-series... I'm not currently up to date on them, but they may have been replaced with lease incentives. Earlier, they were $1000.
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Prices on 2004 5 series models below invoice? by confusedman
Aug 04, 2004 (1:15 pm)
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Has anybody heard of anybody purchasing any 2004 530i's or 525's below invoice price. If so, how much below invoice price? Looking to buy one and would definitely like to buy one below invoice. Is that a reality like it was with the 2003's?
 
I appreicate as much input as possible. You can never overkill with too much advice.
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Re: Prices on 2004 5 series models below invoice? [confusedman] by vsaxena
Aug 04, 2004 (6:11 pm)
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Replying to: confusedman (Aug 04, 2004 1:15 pm)

You can do that if you are willing to spend less than a $1000 extra (or use FF miles) to fly to Munich over a weekend and wait for the car for 6-8 weeks after paying for it. Look at the European Delivery program in the 3 series boards. The ED MSRP is 7-8% the US MSRP and the ED invoice is also similarly reduced. If you shop around you can get an ED car at about $1000-$1500 over ED invoice. This will put you under the US invoice.
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Re: Prices on 2004 5 series models below invoice? [vsaxena] by cassidym
Aug 05, 2004 (7:33 am)
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Replying to: vsaxena (Aug 04, 2004 6:11 pm)

Are you saying that you can fly to Munich and order the car there (and presumably pay for it) then return to the US and await delivery in the States? Can you do this now for an 05?
 
I got my current car through ED but had to order it from a US dealer, pay for it then, eight weeks later, flew to Munich and picked it up. From there I shipped it back to the US and eventually picked it up at the dealer's.
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Re: Prices on 2004 5 series models below invoice? [cassidym] by kyfdx HOST
Aug 05, 2004 (8:17 am)
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Replying to: cassidym (Aug 05, 2004 7:33 am)

NO, he means the way you got your current one. The difference is, you can usually save $2K-$3K using ED vs. conventional purchase.
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Re: Prices on 2004 5 series models below invoice? [vsaxena] by confusedman
Aug 05, 2004 (8:21 am)
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Replying to: vsaxena (Aug 04, 2004 6:11 pm)

Just to follow up, do you know if the dealers are expecting any manufacturing rebates to clear the 2004 inventory just in time for the 2005? Thus, possibley selling below invoice due to the rebates?
 
It sounds like getting the 2004's below invoice is not going to be as easy as it was with the 2003's since they were giving $3-$4K rebates on the 2003's due to the change of model.
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Re: Prices on 2004 5 series models below invoice? [confusedman] by vsaxena
Aug 05, 2004 (10:33 pm)
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Replying to: confusedman (Aug 05, 2004 8:21 am)

I doubt that there will be rebates like last year. There is no model change involved. But you neverknow..
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incentives on five not likely by livinbmw
Aug 07, 2004 (7:53 am)
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dealer supply is very low on the new 5 right now, and that might mean no incentives. But, they briefly had a small incentive on the 5 and they may again. I don't think that you're going to have any dealer blowing out the cars. They are money makers and well worth the premium dollar you spend. Look how expensive the used ones are. Besides, a thousand dollars or so, in relation to what you're spending anyway (40 to 60 grand) shouldn't be a deal breaker in my mind.
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damsel in (lease-)distress by vrrmmm
Aug 08, 2004 (5:18 am)
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I've perused these forums for several days now--thanks to all for your helpful information and your passion for BMWs.
 
I'm about to lease my first b-b-bimmer, a 525i (Black sapphire metallic, Black leather, Premium package, Steptronic auto.; Xenon; Satellite radio prep.).
 
My company is leasing the 525 for me. It will pay for about half the drive-off, and the monthly payment MUST be at or below $450 INCLUDING tax.
 
Despite my company paying for the lease, I still want to get the BEST deal since I might take over the payments at some point as well as I'll probably purchase the 525 at the end of the lease.
 
Is the following deal good?
 
Here are the numbers of the best quote in my area (L.A.):
 
Cap. cost: 42,435
Bank fee: 525
Total Cap: 42,960
Cap reduction: 5,756.36
Net Cap.: 37,203.64
Residual (61%): 27,477.45
Total Depreciation: 9,726.19
 
Monthly Depreciation: 270.17
Monthly Rent: 145.53
Subtotal: 415.70
Tax: 34.30
Monthly Payment: 450
 
Cap Reduction: 5,756.36
Tax: 474.90
Doc Fee: 45
License: 331
Gov. Fee: 5
1st Payment: 450
Total Drive-off: 7,062.26
 
Money Factor: .00225
Term: 36 months
Mileage: 10,000/yr. (which will not be a problem)
 
The salesman said that he was making just $900 over invoice, but according to my calculations, there's $260 unaccounted for--could this be an unstated acquisition fee, and if it is, then is $260 PLUS $525 (stated bank fee) a high price ($785) to pay for the privilege of a BMWFS lease?
 
$900 or $1,160 (with the mysterious $260) over invoice: is that good?
 
Is the "bank fee" usually added to the cap. cost? I've received quotes in which the bank fee is NOT added to the cap. cost rather it is added to the drive-off.
 
I found the buy rate (.00210) at one of the Edmunds' forums (thank you to the person who supplied it) and mentioned it to the salesman. He said that since he was waiving the security deposit, the money factor is increased .00015 (which I knew from the aforementioned post). But later I figured out that if I pay the refundable security deposit to get the lower money factor, I'll save about $360 over the lease term AND get my deposit back. Is there a reason NOT to pay the deposit? Has anyone had any problems getting the deposit back?
 
Any suggestions?
 
Thanks for your patience with my way-too-long post--it's the shaky nerves from being so close yet feeling so far away.
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Re: damsel in (lease-)distress [vrrmmm] by kyfdx HOST
Aug 08, 2004 (9:02 am)
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Replying to: vrrmmm (Aug 08, 2004 5:18 am)

You are right.. make the security deposit, and reduce your cap cost reduction.. You'll be out about $160-$170 more upfront, but you'll get $500 returned at the back end.
 
What is the MSRP of the car? Can't check the numbers without that.
 
Cap cost reductions are usually a bad idea, but considering your circumstances with the employer picking up the payment, it makes sense.
 
It looks like you are on the right track..
 
regards,
kyfdx

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