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Re: Advice by Pen101 [pen101] by kyfdx HOST
Jul 28, 2004 (5:58 am)
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Replying to: pen101 (Jul 27, 2004 9:12 pm)

PEN101: I may have a solution to part of your problem.. BMWNA just announced that they will be selling extended warranties that are identical to the CPO warranty.
 
They are only available to the original purchaser or lessee. The cost for the 5-series is $2749.
 
That is pretty pricy, but if you can negotiate a lower buyout at the end of your lease, you can have your cake and eat it too (well, except for the $2749).
 
regards,
kyfdx
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kyfdx by pen101
Jul 28, 2004 (1:07 pm)
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I am confused. A few months back I asked the dealer how much it would cost to CPO my car if I decide to keep it. He said it would be about $1.1K plus any other work required to meet the CPO requirements (such as tires). Now you are saying I can have the same extended warranty for $2,749. I must be missing something.
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Re: kyfdx [pen101] by kyfdx HOST
Jul 28, 2004 (1:10 pm)
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Replying to: pen101 (Jul 28, 2004 1:07 pm)

It is a new program that starts August 1st.. What your dealer proposed doing is technically against BMW policy. Up until now, there was no "factory" extended warranty available, except on a CPO car.
 
regards,
kyfdx
 
It may sound expensive, but keeping the dealer out of your lease buyout deal might save you enough to make up for it.
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Extended Warranty... [kyfdx] by vsaxena
Jul 28, 2004 (1:23 pm)
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Replying to: kyfdx (Jul 28, 2004 5:58 am)

Where did you get the details about the BMW extended warranty? I found nothing on the BMWUSA site as yet. The price is less than what the dealer wanted for a third party warranty when I bought my E39 last year.
 
Does the new warranty have to be bought before the expiration of the 4yr/50K warranty? Does it require that the car be dealer serviced during the extended warranty period?
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minivan v. 'bimmer.......hmmm by livinbmw
Jul 28, 2004 (4:11 pm)
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AGAIN, with this stay away from the dealer issue.
 
The dealer can buy a BMW lease for less than the customer can. BMW financial can gain nothing from negotiating with the buyer because each BMW center is obligated to buy the car back at the end of the lease for either the residual or current MMR. So, why would they sell it to the lessee for any lower amount than what was stated in the contract? Furthermore, if you're going to have the Certified (which is more than just an extended service contract and cheaper) than it MUST be retailed through a Center.
 
I can see the general advice is eliminating a party to the transaction but in this case it's best to at least let the dealer try to help because the service they can provided cannot be matched outside of their assistance. And, yeah, they'll make some money.
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Current MMR by pen101
Jul 28, 2004 (4:35 pm)
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OK, I'm learning here. Now I realize that current MMR may be an important factor in determining the ultimate purchase price. As information is power, and if I know the current MMR, it could potentially help me (and others) negotiate a more favorable deal. How do I obtain this information? This information may also be helpful to anyone buying a used car (better than Kelly Blue Book, Nada, Edmunds or other on-line resources).
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Pen101 ....... by rroyce10
Jul 29, 2004 (4:22 am)
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.. ** because each BMW center is obligated to buy the car back at the end of the lease for either the residual or current MMR **
 
               It seems are boy Livinbmw is a little confused, maybe alot ...
 
              The Bimmer dealer is NOT obligated to buy anything .. but they do have FIRST option to purchase the vehicle for mmr and/or the residual - or send it south .. what that means is: it gives the dealer another opportunity to sell or re-lease the vehicle to the original customer, with little or no expense ... thats why I said: keep the dealer "out" of the deal, they will only have an interest in the vehicle "if you" have an interest in it ~ are you getting it now.? ...
 
              This is nothing new, it's the same for every lease co. out there ..... the same goes for the Jag, Chevy, Benz, Mazda, Lincoln, Ford dealers, it's an another opportunity for the dealer to sell the vehicle again and it gives the lease co. a chance to move a vehicle quickly and not pay for the cost of transport, auction fee, detail, service and the rep fee's, and depending on the time of the year, type of vehicle, condition, it can cost $700/$900/$1,200+ a vehicle, or more .......
 
                Every dealer gets a lease list every month for all of their "own" lease customers ... some might be 30 months "out", some might be 20 months "out" and in your case, your 4 months "out" and dealers are just looking for another opportunity to sell/lease another vehicle, it's smart, it's just good business and you can't blame them for the attempts .. hey, I've done it a thousand times .l.o.l. ... by the way, those were mmr prices that I gave you, so you have all the information that one could grasp for the next few days or so ..........................
 
                             Terry.
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Re: Extended Warranty... [vsaxena] by kyfdx HOST
Jul 29, 2004 (6:07 am)
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Replying to: vsaxena (Jul 28, 2004 1:23 pm)

The info came from a BMW CA on another forum.. It is a brand new program.. Only available to the original owner or lessee. If I was going to buy the warranty, then I would be sure to buy the extended maintenance plan from the dealer as well.
 
regards,
kyfdx
 
P.S.: For those of you not familiar with rroyce (Terry), he is a dealer principal that knows more about the car business than anyone else on Edmunds. His advice is almost always "right on the money" and has saved me money more than once. (also cost me money, when I ignored it..LOL).
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Re: Pen101 ....... [rroyce10] by livinbmw
Jul 29, 2004 (7:28 am)
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Replying to: rroyce10 (Jul 29, 2004 4:22 am)

I don't doubt your expertise for a second, it's obvious. You'd probably be a great guy to have a scotch with and talk about the business.
 
Just to be a little more specific so maybe their is a better understanding on how BMW Financial and BMW North America are different about lease and balloon notes; Each Center in the country has a lease portfolio and they can only reject a very specific and controlled number of lease returns each month. Generally, the Center is eager to have the inventory because as you know from high auction prices, the lease returns are the best way for a dealer to enhance their used car inventory, just ask the people at Crevier BMW or Momentum BMW. Look at the Certified Pre-Owned sales for BMW over the last three years and it's clear that the dealers are increasing sales and therefore need more inventory. In addition, the sales that do have BMW Financial vehicles or BMW North America Company cars are usually closed and only for BMW dealers.
 
I stand by my contention that I would want to have the most information possible in making the decision concerning certification of a lease end vehicle and would want the dealers offer for evaluation.
 
I'm not confused at all.
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talkin' Riverside..... by livinbmw
Jul 29, 2004 (8:02 am)
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That '02 530i in question would bring more than 28 ish........I'd say a nice black one with a sport package would get some heavy attention from bidders.
" buy them in Riverside for the $28ish figure "
 
There's been 2 (only 2 and probably at closed dealer only auctions) similar cars there at Riverside recently and one of them did sell at 28 but there was also another black one that went for 31 and I'll bet that the higher dollar one had a sport package. Sport is a big deal on a 530i. Plus, on top of the auction price, there's fees, transportation and reconditioning, right? I'd say the 28 figure is sort of a "low ball".

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