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Replying to: smithsonga (Mar 28, 2008 8:02 am) It really wasn't that hard to get an "at invoice" type of deal. As long as our economy is soft, and the dealers have a stronger desire to sell there cars than we as consumers have to purchase them, I think the "deals" can be had. One of the cars I test drove was the new Jaguar XF, They were only willing to give 1K off MSRP ( a markup of 5.5K from invoice ). My desire went down the hopper. The Jag salesman called me tonite to check my interest again, they have only sold one since it came out 3 weeks ago. |
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Replying to: asteinberg (Mar 28, 2008 4:53 pm)
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Replying to: newtonguy1 (Mar 29, 2008 7:11 am) I either pay inflated price at my local dealership or get it elsewhere. But BMW, unlike other brands, does NOT provide loaner for warranty service, but lets dealer decide, meaning dealrs don't provide loaner unless you bought it there. You're right about M35-- if I did that, I'd get the BMW. G35 -- main argument for it is that it has all the features and is very, very cost-effective. But it's sightly smaller than the others and not a much car. I'm really conflicted, because the last two years in my BMW I've had to deal with excess air conditioning that is noisy, stupid I-drive, substandard navigation, and burdensome changing of radio stations between satellite and AM. The latter corrected somewhat; the nav still archaic but with real traffic. 535i more powerful, but gas mileage down. I would have preferred a bit more powerful, and not quite the loss in mpg. G35 mileage is quite disappointing. Also, my lease turn in experience for BMW was very disappointing. Again, I feel I was treated poorly because I did not get the car at my local dealership where I imprudently turned it in. -- If I go BMW again, does anyone reading this now any dealership in So Calif that would sell one at invoice, then lease it with net money factor, without markup? There is not enough value in the BMW without trying to get a deal, because the MSRP is too inflated. Also, my last one -- 530i -- was in the shop twice for 2 weeks+, for the same safety problem-- passenger air bag sensor. BMW sells too many cars and cannot adequately service them. The service writers are insensitive yuppies. Problem is I want a rear wheel drive car and don't see much in the way of alternatives. But the I-drive shows a culture of arrogance at BMW that extends to dealerships. I do want to praise the Internet folks at Pacific BMW in Glendale.
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Replying to: asteinberg (Mar 29, 2008 7:54 am) Problem is I want a rear wheel drive car and don't see much in the way of alternatives. Man, you've sure been dealing with the wrong BMW dealer. Now on my third BMW, the service is comparable to my service experience with Lexus, having previously owned six of them. Maybe I've been lucky but I actually had my Lexi' in more frequently for problems. BTW, I'm getting 27.3 mpg in mixed city/highway driving which for the performance level I'm enjoying with my '08 535, is fantastic. In contrast, with my '06 M35, I achieved only 20-21 mpg at best. Yes, the Nav. ergonomics were better than iDrive, but iDrive is improving with each generation and I have no issue with it. If you don't want to try a different make car (than a BMW), at least find a good (BMW) dealer to enhance your experience.
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Replying to: carnaught (Mar 29, 2008 8:07 am) |
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Thanks for your comments. Nice to hear of your good experiences. But I know I'm not alone with my problem experiences -- I have friends and a cousin who have had some hassles, especially with the dealership in my area. I'm actually considering 535i, because it resolved some key 530i problems (somewhat better NAV w/integrated live traffic; memory buttons for radio and AM-FM-satellite band-switching; voice recognition that actually works). Mileage worse than Lexus GS350 with more value, but lease terms not so great, and BMW has free maintenance (w/brakes!). Still prefer NAV and other user friendly items on Lexus, Infiniti and other alternatives I'm exploring. As long as I can avoid my local dealer, Bob Smith BMW, I may give BMW another chance! Questions-- (1) Given the slowness of the auto market, how close to invoice does 530i go? (2) Does BMW offer financing deals, or just leasing deals? (3) Other than premium, sports, comfort access, navigation, sirius satellite radio, does anyone reading this recommend any options ...especially if they are perosonally familiar with them? If I go beyond the above, I must special order: (4) Are head-up display and night vision use mere toys or useful? (Seems odd that night vision visible only in NAV system.) (5) Is rear door side impact airbag safe, or a threat to kids? (6) power rear &manual side sunshades worth the money to keep the kids happy? (7) any other options truly worthwhile and worth the money? (8) Last time, I did 24 mo, cheaper per mo than 36. Now, 36 slightly higher. I still think 24 mo, to save buying 4 costly fun-flat tires. (8a) FINALLY -- does anyone know what the Money Factor will be for 535i for APRIL for 12000, 24mo, 36 mo, and, possibly for 15000. If I go BMW, I could buy/lease Mon/3-31 or wait until Tues/4-1, if MF different. (8b) IF I special order, due to other items, I'd use March MF or June MF, whichever is lower. My guess is June MF would be lower. Thoughts?
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Replying to: myfirstbmw (Mar 28, 2008 7:26 am) |
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Replying to: asteinberg (Mar 29, 2008 6:55 pm) If you're having to talk yourself into the Bimmer, you may as well look at MB (and Audi for that matter). If you are taking your time as you say you are -- why not give the other Germans a serious consideration? Good luck!
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Replying to: spainhour66 (Apr 01, 2008 2:36 pm) I ended up with the 535i for performance, a marginal improvement in the NAV, which I don't use that often; 6 preset memory buttons which help resolve the stupid Idriveaccess for different audio bands and stations. I had a Mercedes briefly between the old Infiniti Q45 and anAudi A6. I wasn't that impressed. I test drove an Audi and it seemed under-powered, unless I went to a V8. |
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In NY/CT, relatively new to leasing so still reading up on things like reducing the MF with MSDs, etc. Curious what lease deals you guys have got recently on 528Xi's and how to decide/evaluate 'how good' the deal is. I know the Boston papers have the following: * 328i Convertible: $368/month with $3,800 down * 528Xi: $378/month with $3,800 down Though the ad said "nicely equipped" I called to find out they are base models with stick shift (stick is fine, btw). They also said the various fees would run to around $1,100-$1,500 *All leases 24 months, 10,000 miles per year with $3,800 down as cap cost reduction, plus all start up fees and taxes including 1st payment, security deposit, bank fee, documentation and registration fees. Some in stock vehicles may contain additional equipment at additional cost. Quantities are limited. Geographic restrictions apply. Pictures are for illustration purposes only. Prices subject to change in accordance with BMW factory programs. See dealer for details. |
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