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Re: pen101 [nyccarguy] by pen101
Jan 03, 2005 (5:01 pm)
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Replying to: nyccarguy (Dec 30, 2004 11:01 pm)

The dealer has access to the MMR price. It is on their internal computer. The MMR changes weekly as a result of the auction happening every Wednesday. From what I understand, that is the price at which the dealer acquires the car from BMWFS.
 
I first found out about MMR from Terry on this board (thank you, Terry). Then I found I could get the MMR price from the dealer. But not all dealers will give you this number. The second dealer I went to was up front and honest and showed me the numbers (the first dealer I went to put in his own number for the MMR price, which was about $3K higher than actual). This second dealer said he would sell me the car at MMR. When other dealers started to call me to CPO my car with them, I aked if they too would sell me the car at MMR. Reluctantly they agreed. Then I worked on the CPO pricing. It was easy when you have a number of dealers competing for your business. Ultimately, I went with the upfront and honest dealer mentioned above. It is amazing at the deal one can get if you are educated about the pricing.
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Re: pen101 ... Nyccarguy .. [rroyce10] by pen101
Jan 03, 2005 (5:14 pm)
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Replying to: rroyce10 (Dec 31, 2004 7:13 am)

... **How easy was it to negotiate with the dealership?** ...
  
            **The dealer has nothing to do with it, it's not their vehicle, it's not their title - always deal with the leasing company ...**
  
 
Terry's advice may be right in most cases, but with me, I got a better deal going through the dealer than the leasing company, especially because I wanted to get the extended warranty of the CPO progam which I can only get through a BMW dealer. Buying the warranty separately (now an option) was more costly.
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Re: pen101 ... Nyccarguy .. [pen101] by seloo
Jan 03, 2005 (8:58 pm)
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Replying to: pen101 (Jan 03, 2005 5:14 pm)

Pen101;
 
I see that you purchased the extended warranty for about $200 below dealer cost (if the BMW memo is correct). Did you get any idea of the dealer's actual cost for the CPO/extended warranty?
 
Thanks
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Re: pen101 ... Nyccarguy .. [seloo] by kyfdx HOST
Jan 04, 2005 (8:03 am)
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Replying to: seloo (Jan 03, 2005 8:58 pm)

pen101 didn't really "purchase" the extended warranty.. His dealer bought the car from BMWFS and resold it to him as a CPO unit..
 
They are required to bring the car up to CPO standards of course, but the dealers actual payment to BMWNA for the CPO warranty/designation is about $1000...
 
Even though it is identical to the CPO warranty (thanks to you, I know that now), when they sell you the extended warranty on a car you already own, then that is a different transaction with different pricing..
 
regards,
kyfdx
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CPO warranty by gold233790
Jan 04, 2005 (9:56 am)
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Ok....I have a shade under three years and about 49k miles to go until this is going to be an issue for me, but......
 
If my 530i is relatively problem-free my plan is to purchase at lease end. I have a nice subsidy from my business on a leased car right now, so it's not a bad way to own this sucker long term.
 
Anyway, what type of things are NOT covered once we hit 50k on these machines? I had a certified Audi A8, and they were very finicky on what was covered. I wouldn't expect wear items like brakes to be included, but electrical stuff wasn't always under their warrant. Almost seemd like I needed to search out my preferred service tech to see if he could "slip it in" under warranty.
 
So....as a BMW newbie, how is the CPO overall? I know it's probably worthwhile to get (maybe even necessary?), but will I be frustrated with non-coverage?
 
Thanks!
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Re: pen101 ... Nyccarguy .. [kyfdx] by pen101
Jan 04, 2005 (5:23 pm)
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Replying to: kyfdx (Jan 04, 2005 8:03 am)

Terry says the dealer made money on my transaction, but I don't see it. Purchasing the car at MMR (dealer cost) and then the $1800 CPO price leaves little for dealer profit. It costs the dealer $1000 for the CPO certificate, plus the dealer inspects, fixes and details the car and gives you a loaner for a day or two. Of course, if they did not make money on the transaction, they would not have done it. Also, maybe they are counting on you servicing and repairing the car at that dealership in the future. Also, maybe BMW gives the dealer a bonus on the sale.
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Re: pen101 ... Nyccarguy .. [pen101] by rroyce10
Jan 05, 2005 (6:56 am)
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Replying to: pen101 (Jan 04, 2005 5:23 pm)

.. **Terry says the dealer made money on my transaction, but I don't see it** ...
 
            Never said the "dealer" made money .... said: BMWFS made money .. dealer did the paperwork, probably made few hundred, maybe, if any, and will hope to service the vehicle in the future, then make money ......................
 
                             Terry.
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Re: pen101 ... Nyccarguy .. [rroyce10] by kyfdx HOST
Jan 05, 2005 (7:54 am)
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Replying to: rroyce10 (Jan 05, 2005 6:56 am)

Terry... your thoughts..
 
I think pen101 was incredibly lucky to find a dealer that would disclose MMR price, and do this deal for a very minimal profit (if any).. I'm happy for him, but wouldn't you consider this a hard thing to pull off for most buyers approaching lease-end on their BMW?
 
regards,
kyfdx
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MACO value by gnailuh
Jan 05, 2005 (2:39 pm)
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Is there such a thing as MACO? The guy at the dealer is saying...
 
"MACO is a fee charged to all
Bay Area Region dealers at 1% of the base invoice price of the car."
 
Is there such a thing? And is the value of 1% correct? I'm getting areally good price over invoice, but this MACO value would be applied. Just want to know if it's valid.
 
Thanks.

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