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#805 of 10312 How about this offer? by eve123 Nov 05, 2003 (6:24 pm)
sjmurray3...I figured that by accepting your offer of $31,095 the dealer would be losing money and unless he is desperate and just wants to get rid of the cars on his lot, he won't accept it. I figured that the dealer's cost for the car is 31,455, which includes the $2,000 incentive and the $260 MACO and training fee he must absorb. I think that a fair offer might be $31,955 which would give him a $500 profit on the deal. It would still be a great deal for you. Maybe he can throw in the floor mats as well. You'd probably have to pay about $35,000 for this car similarly equipped in a 2004 model if that's what you really want in the car. Otherwise, why don't you look at another car with fewer options and save yourself some more money. If you really want the car, you should counter the dealer's offer or someone can come along this week end and end up buying or leasing it. Just a thought.
#806 of 10312 re: sjmurray3 by rgnmstr Nov 05, 2003 (7:34 pm)
<<<<Like the LS, I need more convinsing maybe. >>   It's not your daddys Lincoln. I can only suggest you read the reviews on the LS and drive one. Car of the year in 2000 and Lincoln has quietly made improvements every year since. This year many reviewers have stated that the performance and handeling have passed the 5 series. Some of the features that sold me. DOHC V8 rear wheel drive, Formula 1 inspired 4 wheel independent suspension with forged aluminum unequal length A arms with coil overs, stiffest platform in the business today, aluminum hood, front fenders and trunk lid, battery in the trunk over the right wheel, sports tuned suspension option with 17" aluminum wheels, Advance Trac, a really nice interior, 114" wheelbase vs the 107" of the 325. Drive the V8 Sport. You can tell a sport version.... there is no chrome on the top surface of the bumpers. Not bashing BMW here - I respect the mark. I was looking at 325s but the LS seems to be the better value at the moment once again. My only bitch ......... they don't make a coupe.
#807 of 10312 RE: bartalk2 by rgnmstr Nov 05, 2003 (7:37 pm)
<<<What kind of gas mileage do you get with that Lincoln LS V-8? Premium fuel, I assume>>>   Yes premium fuel. Gas milage on our 2002 has been as good or better than the factory advertised 18 city, 25 highway.
#808 of 10312 re: bmwwife by rgnmstr Nov 05, 2003 (7:44 pm)
<<<Some don't see the value in owning a premium vehicle and opt for low cost sensibility>>>   If your refering to my post regarding the Lincoln LS Sport I can only assume you have never driven the car and probably never even sat in one. It's as much a premium car as the 3 or 5 series BMW maybe not the 7 or 8 series. I also assume from your "handle" that you only have the Bimmer to try to make others think your a premium person. Although I have owned a few semi exotics in my time I shoot for value in an upscale ride these days. You see I could spend more but the money I save goes towards my race boat.
#809 of 10312 BMW 3 SERIES SALES DOWN by bartalk2 Nov 05, 2003 (9:29 pm)
Sales are down this year for the 3 Series. In Sept., for example, sales of the 330 were down about 25% from last Sept., and the 325 is down also, though not quite as much. Also, year to date sales for both the 330 and 325 are down considerably from last year. The G35 must be taking sales away from BMW, and the new Acura TL will do likewise. Maybe this will give the BMW buyer some much-needed leverage. Be tough: bargain up from invoice.
#810 of 10312 Bartalk2 & BMWwife by sjmurray3 Nov 06, 2003 (5:02 am)
Appreciate the great feedback from the entire board and specifically Bartalk2 & BMWwife! I understand where you are both coming from, but it is my nature to do like Bartalk said in his last post - bargain up from invoice! I do not owe the dealer anything, once I buy it's my problem so to speak! Supply and Demand!   My late father was in the car business from 1947 to 1986 and part owner of a small New England Volvo dealership from 1970 to 1986. Granted times have changed since 1986 with the internet, but he would always advise me to deal from invoice, these guys have to move cars, it cost too much money to leave them on the lot. For every guy that buys at invoice, there's 5 that pay MSRP. Not sure if that is true today, but that was the old saying in the business. I have never paid a penny over invoice and I'm 46. My first BMW purchase among multiple Volvos, (1) Honda, (1)Ford, and (1) Nissan.   Again, I don't see this car's value much over the 30K mark with respect to what else is out there! Don't get me wrong, I love the car, but not willing to get suckered into it! LS was a nice vehicle, many nice options! Ride was fantastic.
#811 of 10312 rgnmstr - Lincoln LS by gordonwd Nov 06, 2003 (6:43 am)
The Cadillac CTS caught my eye too until I saw one being driven by a blue-haired old lady of the typical Cadillac clientele sort. And anything with the name Lincoln on it reminds me too much of my fat old cigar-chomping great-uncle and his Lincoln Town Cars. Sorry, I just can't get past this with these old luxury makes trying to reinvent themselves. I would feel weird just walking into the dealership.
#812 of 10312 gordonwd by sjmurray3 Nov 06, 2003 (6:51 am)
LOL, I know what you mean - the Caddy & Lincoln dealerships I visited two weeks ago in my car pursuit felt strange, not hip or something! That feeling is keeping me from considering what are probably the two better choices. In fact, no CTSs were on the lot that day? Plenty of Lincolns LSs. I asked my BMW saleman to quote me a lease price on the 325i I offered on Monday. I did this because of all the reliability discussions on the other discussion area here. I keep cars for 8+ years, so maybe I should just lease it to get the BMW experience!
#813 of 10312 This is a 3 series board......... by bmwwife Nov 06, 2003 (6:57 am)
prices paid and buying experiences. Total cost of ownership on a Lincoln will greatly exceed that of a 3. Lincoln has depreciation written all over it and is not near the quality of any BMW product. But that is not the topic here.   MURRAY, discounting can be a trap. Ask anyone trying to trade in a 2 or 3 year old lincoln or cadillac that thought they got a great deal when they bought it.
#814 of 10312 Thanks for the reminder! by sjmurray3 Nov 06, 2003 (7:03 am)
I think I did tie in a BMW sentence or two to my last post! I understand depreciation, but if you hold on to cars like I do the point is mute. I agree that other cars will not hold their value like a BMW, but that said the whole resale market is upside down right now, just look in the paper. New cars are too easy to get, money is cheap!

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