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#7972 of 12233 Re: BMW's in winter [letstalk]
Jul 11, 2007 (2:29 pm)
I'm a few days away from buying a 2004 BMW325ci. I know it's going to be a great car, but I do live in Massachusetts. It is said to have traction control and dual stability, all nice words, but what should I do about driving in winter? Or maybe it's ok. Perhaps given what the car is, it'll just be about getting good tires. Any advice for those NE winters which start in October and end in April (almost)? Thanks for anything you can tell me. (note, I heard this from the Volvo dealer I just said goodbye to. He warned me about BMWs in the winter)
I had a lot of commutes into Boston and down Rt 128 and 93 and the South/Northeast expressways. Haven't been back in the US in a while but I drove a lot of years in Mass and NH and I remember the look on peoples faces when i drove my 1999 Miata in the winter even up in NH in fairly heavy snow. Oh sure the BMW has more power but it's heavier.
Boston snow isn't horrible it's only when it slicks up and that can happen North of Boston heading towards Brockton, or on some places on Rt 128.
North it can be really bad and up towards salem NH it can be very heavy.
I'd suggest you look very closely at Nokian tires. You can't buy them from Tire Rack tho.
Just buy some steel rims and throw a spare in the trunk.
You can call up Nokian and ask the questions directly. Best snow tire out there period! They make a bunch of different tires.
The ones I ran on the Miata were Nokian Hakka Q's which I don't think they make any more.
The new model tire is the Nokian Hakka RSi. The Q felt a bit squishy in the dry buy on snow and ice it was like a 4x4 jeep in the snow! I drove up to Canada to Quebec City, ran into a blizzard going up and was still ok but had to take it easy as it was very poor visibility. No trouble at all!
The problem is the tires are soft so they don't last much more than a season at east mine didn't. Like you said Oct to April. Summer tires are awful once the temps drop.
The Nokian WR's look good and might be OK for Boston but I was up in New hampshire a lot and I needed the better snow tire, no studs on RSi but it really grips.
I spoke with Nokian on their toll free # and then went to a local dealer and I was pretty happy. But shop around because these tires aren't cheap, but then again neither is stuffing your BMW into a pole.
Volvo isn't any better. The tires will make any car into a snowmobile if you get the right ones. The high performance tires compromise a lot. But you might get away with it in the city. They don't really plow Back Bay very well and don't get me started about Cambridge!
#7973 of 12233 Re: BMW's in winter [letstalk]
Jul 12, 2007 (10:21 am)
I drove a 2004 330ci in the greater Boston area for the last 3 winters. Make no mistake, you WILL need snow tires. The traction control does help, but it's still a very *interactive* driving experience in bad conditions. That said, I never had any real problems and I didn't feel like it handled much worse in the winter than my old Acura (FWD) with all season tires. Let me know if you're in the market for a set of rims and tires. They don't fit my new car...bummer.
#7974 of 12233 Re: BMW's in winter [ssteel25]
Jul 13, 2007 (4:31 am)
I just drove a 335i for a day (loner during service) in light rain in central NJ 78 deg F. The added HP made the driving experience a whole new level than my 330xi. Very interactive! The traction control engaged many times in hard cornering. Tire were 17" Continental All-Weather RFT's. The 335 is much looser than the 330 xdrive and let me tell you, the added xdrive traction in the snow/ice and even rain with exact same tire setup in my car gives you huge traction gains.
Not as much fun in the drier weather, however. You really can not break the tail loose even with the all weather tires. I would love to have summer tires to see the other side of this suspension on track day!
Jul 13, 2007 (7:07 am)
Just wanted some opinions:
2007 335i lease:
36 months / 15k annually
Cold Weather and Premium Packages
$588 a month
The car was a service loaner and has 6000 miles on it already.
So far that's all the details I got from the dealer. Good deal? Anyone know if there's a way I can pay only my first month's payment at signing? Dealer had the car at a selling price of $40,995 and an MSRP of $44,595. Reasonable for a loaner car?? And is the residual 64% on this?
#7976 of 12233 Re: 335i lease [jmcship]
by kyfdx@Edmunds HOST
Jul 13, 2007 (7:12 am)
It sure looks like you are going to need some more details.
The residual will definitely not be 64%. The residual for 3yr/45K is 61%, and then there will be a reduction for the 6000 miles already on it. The residual will likely be 61% of MSRP minus $900-$1200.
I have no idea what a good selling price for a demo would be. I think your best bet would be to get lease pricing on a new model, so you can compare it to the demo.
As far as money down? Assuming your credit is good, they can always structure the lease any way you want it. If you want $1500 less out of pocket, that will probably raise the lease payment around $45/mo.
#7977 of 12233 Re: 335i lease [jmcship]
Jul 13, 2007 (11:54 am)
First off, you should negotiate a lower price. Assuming this is a sedan, you can get a brand new 335i for $2k to 3k off MSRP, depending on your region. Your dealer is offering $3600 discount on a demo car with 6000 miles on it. Personally, I would not take it for the $1000 or so price difference. In leasing, you are talking about less than $400 over the 3 years.
Another important factor is that the 6000 miles already on the odometer will bump your car to 51,000 miles at end of the 3 yr/15k miles lease. You are taking a gamble on the last 3000 miles without the included maintenance and, most importantly, warranty.
Even using $40,995 as selling price, with $2,088 down, I don't see how the monthly payment can be $588 without some serious markup on money factor. In SoCal, you can get a brand new for less, and that's including sales tax.
As kyfdx suggested, you really should get quotes for a brand new one, and ask yourself if the difference justifies.
#7978 of 12233 Re: 335i lease [jtla]
by kyfdx@Edmunds HOST
Jul 13, 2007 (12:09 pm)
One correction... The warranty and maintenance are good until 50K.. Just 1K out of warranty... Still a risk, though smaller..
#7979 of 12233 Re: 335i lease [kyfdx]
Jul 13, 2007 (12:32 pm)
My bad. Thanks.
#7980 of 12233 good deal
Jul 16, 2007 (7:13 am)
Hi, I was just wondering what everyone thought about the below deal from BMW of NYC...
568/ mo including taxes...no cap cost reduction...only 1st mos payment and bank fee due at signing
I think this is about 600 over invoice...
#7981 of 12233 Re: 335i lease [kyfdx]
Jul 16, 2007 (9:33 am)
Thanks kyfdx and jtla for the input. At least I'm asking the right questions now. I did take into consideration that I'd be out of warranty for the last 1000. Just trying to find the best deal I can. So far on a new one, in the Philadelphia area, it's been $2000 down, $622 a month on a 36 month / 15k a year lease.