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335i Recommendation by wbb56
Mar 10, 2007 (11:45 am)
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Apparently my "deal" signed and sealed with a $1000 deposit (not yet returned) has fallen through. My local dealer objected to my questioning why it was suddenly taking a week or two to get the car I purchased instead of a few days. It's a long, long story that I'll relate one day in this forum--but for now--I'd still like to purchase a 335i Sedan for local or European Delivery. I'm located in Southeastern North Carolina--can anyone recomend a dealer in North Carolina, South Carolina or Virginia? I have contacted two dealers close by (within 120 miles)-after their initial lease/purchase offers--I emailed them my proposal--
($556 36mo 12k vs $626) and have not heard back from either. I guess they don't want to, or plan to negotiate.
This has been an incredibly frustrating experince. It seems as though the dealers are your best buddies until you acutally ask them not to mark up the MF and/or the Acq. fee and to actually negotiate the price. I'm really close to just bagging the whole BMW idea and moving onto to something new--Audi, Infiniti, Lincoln. But my favorite car is 335i--so I'd like to give it one more shot. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
 
Thanks in advance..
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Am I missing something?? by kjenkins696
Mar 10, 2007 (2:17 pm)
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Just got back from my local (Towson, MD) BMW dealer, where I drove a fairly stripped 328i wagon with an MSRP of $37,395.
 
Dealer said they'd lease the car to me for $36,395, with a MF of .00225 and a 36 month residual of 62% (12K per year)
Sales tax in MD is 5%.
 
They said the monthly payment would be $575/month with $2500 down, and taxes folded into the lease payments. If I also put taxes down up front, they said the payment would be $512 (and a total of $5100 out of pocket)
 
I just ran the numbers on the Edmunds lease calculator and came up with $464 with $2500 down.
 
Am I missing something in my calculations, or is the dealer trying to rip me off?
 
Thanks.
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Re: Am I missing something?? [kjenkins696] by kyfdx HOST
Mar 10, 2007 (2:26 pm)
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Replying to: kjenkins696 (Mar 10, 2007 2:17 pm)

The $2500? Is that the entire amount due at signing? If so, that covers the 1st payment, security deposit, acq.fee, and title/license fees.. $1800-$2000 total...
 
If you assume $1800, that only leaves $700 for a cap cost reduction, resulting in a cap cost of $35,695...
 
Even at that, I only get a payment of $480/mo.+ tax...
 
Makes me wonder if they are really giving you the .00225 rate, or if they are marking it up..
 
Also.. 5% tax? Do they tax the whole selling price in Maryland? I'm thinking they do.. That's going to hurt.
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Re: Am I missing something?? [kyfdx] by kjenkins696
Mar 10, 2007 (2:56 pm)
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Replying to: kyfdx (Mar 10, 2007 2:26 pm)

2500 would be the amount due at signing if I wanted a payment of $575 per month.
 
If I paid the 2500 down payment, taxes, tags, and acq. fee up front, total out of pocket would be $5100, and that would reduce the monthly payment to $512 (according to the dealer) For me, this much mony out of pocket defeats the purpose of a lease.
 
They are waiving the security dep. because we already own another BMW.
 
Yes, they tax the whole selling price in MD.
 
Their advertised deal of a similarly priced vehicle is $369 per month on a 328 xi sedan with an MSRP of 36,500 on a $2500 down payment, excluding taxes and fees. Just seems like a long way to go for them to get from $369 to $575 on taxes and fees alone. That's why I'm so confused by this.
 
Thanks for the advice. . . Maybe I need to go to another dealer or find a less expensive car. .
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Sport Package by bmwinca
Mar 10, 2007 (3:08 pm)
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I've heard from some folks that opting for the Sport Package is a must. Anyone with strong opinions on this? I am getting close to pulling the trigger on a 328i sedan and could go either way on this.
 
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Re: Sport Package [bmwinca] by circlew
Mar 10, 2007 (3:54 pm)
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Replying to: bmwinca (Mar 10, 2007 3:08 pm)

If you love real tight handling and do not mind a firmer ride, it is a must. The seats are excellent IMO. I believe you need to order SP to get the seats.
 
You will be delighted at the unbelievable planted effect in the turns.
 
Otherwise if a more supple ride is desired, forget the SP.
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: Am I missing something?? [kjenkins696] by rorymac
Mar 10, 2007 (5:44 pm)
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Replying to: kjenkins696 (Mar 10, 2007 2:17 pm)

I have recent experience with this dealer which was not great. I had a competitive bid from another dealer for a 328xi which was MSRP less $1700. They said they would match it but when I got their lease quote they had tacked on points to the MF and the acquistion fee. You should check the money factor on the 328i wagon but I bet it is .190 or less. Also, the BMW acquisition fee buy rate is $625. In my case they added $200 and I had to really ask the right questions to find out what was really going on. When I 'caught' them it was like I had done something wrong and they walked from the deal.
I suggest you go to Russel BMW like I did. They gave me MSRP-$1900, MF of .00190, acquisition fee of $625 and residual of 63% for 36 month deal with 12k per year. If they don't have what you want you can order for mid to late April delivery. I find it better to get quotes on ordering and then all dealers are quoting on the same thing. Note that BMW of Towson and BMW of Belair are co-owned and you won't do any better with the latter.
Also, when using the lease calculator you have to plug in all of the factors such as sales tax, acquisition fee, dealer paperwork fee, license fee less your capital reduction payment.The key number you need to arrive at is the adjusted capitalized amount. Note that MD collects full 5% tax upfront on lease payments as opposed to adding 5% to lease payments as some states allow.
Good luck!
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Re: Am I missing something?? [rorymac] by kjenkins696
Mar 10, 2007 (7:30 pm)
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Replying to: rorymac (Mar 10, 2007 5:44 pm)

Thanks so much for your comments - they were very helpful. This is actually our second experience with the Towson dealer not being helpful. A few yrs. ago we ended up driving to PG county to get my wife's X3. . .I did call Northwest BMW this evening, and over the phone they indicated they could give me a payment more in line with my thinking. I'll also call Russell.
 
When I do the lease calculations, I always ad the full sales tax amount, but never know what to add for acq., paperwork, and licensing. Any suggestions for what to add would be bery helpful.
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335 lease 3yr/36k mi, $512/month by funyuns
Mar 10, 2007 (8:17 pm)
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How does this sound-
335 sedan, metallic paint, steptronic, shift paddles, premium, sport and cold weather packages, and comfort access. 3yr/36k mi, $512/month. taxes paid upfront, 7 multiple security deposits for a money factor of 0.0011, 63% residual, $625 bank fee. I think I should have been able to do better, but I haven't seen many 3 year leases below $550 in the NYC area.
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2007- 328i Coup Pricing Assistance by newcarguy3
Mar 11, 2007 (9:19 pm)
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I have put a deposit on a New 328i Coup that is being ordered. Can anyone tell me if I am getting a good Deal.
328i coup w/ Prem, sport, Manual Trans, Mats and Metallic Paint. 36/mo 12k/yr. MSRP =$40,620. My payment is $503 + tax and total out of pocket is $1541 which includes my first payment. Thank you in advance. Looking forward to reply!!

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