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Replying to: ajfinoak (Sep 12, 2006 9:07 am) From BMW: “328i engine: 3.0-liter inline 6-cylinder producing 230 horsepower, a 46 horsepower improvement over the 2006 325Ci.” Another 46 HP sounds "useful" to me. . . 15 extra - not so much . . . How many $thousands more was the 2007? [ edited ] - Ray
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Replying to: rayainsw (Sep 12, 2006 9:25 am)
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Replying to: kyfdx (Sep 12, 2006 9:34 am) Gotcha. Seems an odd marketing decision by BMW. Thanks, - Ray HP \ TQ addict - with blind spots . . .
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Replying to: rayainsw (Sep 12, 2006 9:37 am)
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Replying to: kyfdx (Sep 12, 2006 9:39 am) But the 335i sedan does receive the same 300 \ 300 TTI6 as the Coupe. Why? Odd, methinks. - Ray Not a Marketing Genius . . ( clearly ) |
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Replying to: rayainsw (Sep 12, 2006 9:25 am)
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Replying to: ajfinoak (Sep 12, 2006 12:23 pm) Everyone said that the '06 325i horsepower numbers seemed overly pessimistic, considering the performance..
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Replying to: kyfdx (Sep 12, 2006 12:59 pm) I have now seen 2 dyno test run printouts for the 2007 335 TTI6. One from Automobile magazine & one from a tuner shop in CA. It appears that the published HP \ TQ numbers for the 335's twin turbo are ( ahem ) conservative. Meaning LOW. Meaning pessimistic. Automobile saw 275 HP and 300 TQ at the wheels. And the Tuner saw 276 \ 277 HP and 287 \ 288 at the wheels - meaning there is well over 300 \ 300 at the crank - despite BMW's official ratings.... - Ray HP \ TQ races - like 'em.......
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I have bought four new cars in my life. This was by far the worst experience. I live in California, but the only car with the options I wanted happened to be at Chapman BMW on Camelback in Phoenix, Arizona. All the local dealerships were friendly and reasonable with me. The one that located this car said they could get it for me on a dealership trade, something that is quite routine. After several days, they apologized that the car was unavailable because it had been sold by Camelback BMW. This was a plain lie--the story continues. I called Camelback BMW and spoke to the Internet sales manager. He admitted the car was *not* sold, but then the best word to describe his attitude is "toxic." I felt like I had to hold the phone at arm's length from my ear, to mitigate his spewing rudeness. He was impossible to negotiate with reasonably. Next, I called a contact at a different BMW dealership near me. Again, he said he could get the car for me. Again, he apologized a couple if days later that Camelback BMW had said the car had been sold. Again, this was a lie. I called Camelback BMW again on a different phone number. This time I reached a perfectly friendly salesman, and I reached a deal with him to buy the car. I gave a credit card deposit and he faxed me written confirmation of the deal. The salesman told me I would get a special Arizona three-day permit and I would have three days to drive the car back to California and register it here. What happened next? The salesman called me back and reneged. He said his manager thought the price we had negotiated was too low (This was not true; it was $1000 over invoice) and they would try to sell the car to someone else before me. Of course, they did not succeed in selling the car at a higher price, so I arrived two days later to buy the car. The car was fine, but the finance manager surprised me by asking me to pay Arizona sales tax. The salesman had failed to mention this. I assumed registering it in California meant paying tax there. The finance manager was unpleasant and unapologetic. So was the general manager. Both men looked me in the eye and assured me I would not have to pay tax in both states. However, both cynically refused to put their statements in writing. They lived up to the worst car salesman stereotype: making promises but refusing to be bound by them. At the time I am writing this, I still don't know if they were telling the truth. Certainly, the salesman was wrong about the "three day permit." I t turns out I have a 90 day temporary Arizona permit, and I can't register the car where I live until Arizona sends me the title; the sales people couldn't say when this will happen. Camelback BMW claim to do frequent out-of-state sales, but they don't know what the laws regarding them are, and they don't care. Good customer service requires good knowledge and makes customers feel comfortable; the Camelback general manager (whom I spoke to at length) and his staff don't care about this. Two final negative notes: The car I bought had pre-installed low-quality window tinting, which is not recommended by BMW, for which Camelback BMW wanted me to pay $289. They still live in the old days of dealer-installed garbage addons that are just hidden profit for them. Similarly, they add on a "junk fee" of $259 for so-called documentation to the final price that they say is non-negotiable, another lie.
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