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Re: Numbers aren't numbers? [rroyce10] by maxcat2
Jun 09, 2005 (3:30 pm)
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Replying to: rroyce10 (Jun 09, 2005 2:10 pm)

I have a friend at one of the larger Chevy dealers in Orlando. He's been there a dozen years and has been a finance manager, used car manager and a new car manager and is good for general information such as trade in discussion.
 
He's told me that most dealerships actually lose money in the trade department. After a trade is accepted and if they want to keep the car on the lot, the new car sales department is charged by the service department to certify the car. I forget the number but it was hundreds of dollars. Further, if the car needs any work, tires, etc. the sales department is charged for the work at retail shop prices. Therefore, cars that are basically clean are sold by the dealer to wholesalers because they can't make money by certifying, fixing and marketing the cars. They only keep the most saleable cars on the lot. He also told me that when they say they are on the phone contacting dealers of the brand being traded or various wholesalers they actually are trying to find a higher number for the trade.
 
As for the used car dealership person on the lot looking at your trade he or she is essentially in some conflict with the new car department. Both departments need to make money on the deal and make it in different ways. When you see enthusiastic discussion between the new and used car car managers standing next to your trade it is probably legit.
 
My friends general advice is to bring your trade in a condition that they will want to keep the car on the used car side, without having to do work on it and not have to wholesale the car.
 
He also said it doesn't hurt to trade at a dealership that also owns a dealership of the brand you are trading. I had a 2003 GTI that I traded to The Imported Car Store in Melbourne, FL, they also have a VW dealership and my car was nice enough to keep on their used car lot at the VW dealer. I hope this sheds more light on the trade in process.
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2005 330Ci by saigonboi21
Jun 09, 2005 (9:22 pm)
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does anyone know how much i can get a 2005 330Ci for?? i dont need it loaded. just premium package and steptronic. thanks
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Advice on buying 2006 325i in Atlanta by olliestrick
Jun 09, 2005 (11:14 pm)
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Hey all, I'm looking at buying a new '06 325i in the next week. Here are the starting figures that I picked up at one of the Atlanta dealerships - I have also included the numbers they gave me for the options I'm interested in. Kbb.com lists the invoice at $28450.
 
Base: $30300
Diplomatic Base: $28785
Steptronic: $1275
Navigation: $2000
Sirius Radio: $595
Satellite Prep: $75
Metallic Paint: $475
Leather: $1450
Sub-Total: $36170
Destination and Handling: $695
Total: $36865
 
My question is - what number should I be targeting to end up with that you guys would consider a good deal? Is this $695 D&H fee bogus? Should I start looking for an appointment to an embassy or consul to receive the "Diplomatic" base price? Is the bargaining in the options (maybe just certain options)?
 
I have a couple of other ancillary questions and would love to hear opinions:
 - how does the navigation system stack up to the competition? is it well-regarded?
- the sport package comes with different seats... are the standard seats grossly inferior/uncomfortable in comparison to those?
- would you advise financing through the dealer... any good deals now?
 
Thanks in advance to anyone who responds. I have been reading the forums for several days and appreciate what you guys do here.
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Re: Numbers aren't numbers? ... Blueguydotcom .. by rroyce10
Jun 10, 2005 (3:24 am)
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Replying to: blueguydotcom (Jun 09, 2005 3:13 pm)

.. **For instance, you're trading in your 03 330i. The dealer can feasibly get 31k-32k for it as a CPO. The appraiser says 25k wholesale. Go back to the owner and tell him you'll give him 24k for it. If the guy bites, then the dealership is looking a a possible windfall -
 
                          I think the only exercise your getting here, is jumping to conclusions ....
 
                           First of all (your example) 03 330i's are a dime a dozen, especially this time of the year .. and the only things that will make them worth any big money will be low miles (20kish), the right color, no paintwork, all the stuff, it's an automatic and anything after that is a - deduct ...
 
                           A Bimmer dealer isn't going to drop hard fat money into one when he has to do the CPO ($1,500) drop new sneakers on it, then finish any service and then do a fat detail and pay floorplan to boot, or he can spend $500/$700 and run it off to the auction and see what it will do and hope he doesn't lose his shirt and have to drag it back ....
 
                          As far getting $31/$32.? .. that's an *asking* price, just like my neighbor has been *asking* $599,000 for his house, of course it's been sitting since last August and a pipe dream .. and most dealers will cut one of these dudes off the lot for $28/$29ish in a heartbeat because dealers do lose money on trades if they don't turn em' in a hurry .. most dealers are thinking 40/60 days in advance, so "as we speak" most Bimmer dealers are thinking August in June ... it's just business and profit is not a 4 letter word ..... we need to get you into the 21st century, well as least up to the 90's .l.o.l......
 
                                                                          
 
                                                                                Terry
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blueguy, rroyce10, virtualbmw by kirstie_h HOST
Jun 10, 2005 (4:51 am)
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Take it to the Smart Shopper board. Members' pricing questions are going unanswered while you banter away.
 
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Re: Advice on buying 2006 325i in Atlanta [olliestrick] by sharmabmw
Jun 10, 2005 (5:00 am)
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Replying to: olliestrick (Jun 09, 2005 11:14 pm)

Many people are getting $1500 over invoice, although I've also seen the rare $1000 over. Good luck on the "diplomatic option." Homeland security will nab you. Do consider Eur Delivery, however. Nav system: It takes a while to get used to the i-drive, but overall very good. It's much better than the lexus nav system. I had problems moving the screen ahead to my destination and then back to the starting point. There were too many steps in between. But again, minor complaint. $695 - no negotiation, not bogus. They're shipping the car from Germany or South Africa. Finance: I went with an outside credit union for an excellent interest rate that BMW couldn't beat. Many people go in the dealership with the financing (pentagon fed cr union, eloans.com, etc.) and sometimes BMW will match it. Dealership: highly recommend Nalley BMW in Decatur. They are well regarded by many bimmer fans. Excellent Eur Delivery and excellent all around dealership.
 
good luck.
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Re: guess I'm old fashioned,,, [blueguydotcom] by wayne6
Jun 10, 2005 (10:51 am)
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Replying to: blueguydotcom (Jun 08, 2005 3:53 pm)

Off topic, but I'd like to know what you know about the LA dealers packing payments.
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Re: Advice on buying 2006 325i in Atlanta [olliestrick] by ger3sf
Jun 10, 2005 (11:23 am)
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Replying to: olliestrick (Jun 09, 2005 11:14 pm)

Unless you are a foreign national and member of the diplomatic staff (stationed/posted at your country's embassy or consulate(s) in the US) the diplomat price does not apply to you.
 
My uncle was posted as an ambassador in Wash DC a few years ago, and was eligible to buy two X5s at this price. The BMWs (plus a Land Cruiser, an MB S500 and Odyssey) were then shipped home when his assignment was up.

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