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Replying to: mc_chow (Jun 26, 2004 10:57 am) regards, kyfdx |
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..... ** And yes, there is NO moonroof ** It's the kiss of death new, and it will be like trying to sell the German Measles used .l.o.l... Terry. |
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Don't worry about resale. The ZHP package is for someone who wishes BMW would wake up and make an M3 sedan. Someone who wants more sport. When you go to sell it enthusiasts will be interested even without the roof. Plus, do you buy the car for what you want or what some invisible buyer desires in 5 years? Reminds me of the idiot salespeople who tell me to buy an automatic as it's worth more when I resell. Great, spend more money for a feature that removes fun from the car and will make me hate the vehicle. That's brilliant.
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Replying to: blueguydotcom (Jun 27, 2004 1:24 pm) I have wanted a sport package E46 sedan since '99, but sea duty (leaving a nice car on the pier) and a stock market downturn delayed this purchase. My ZHP is a balanced car: a 4 door sedan (for family), with lots of safety features (grouped as a 330i for insurance), and with the handling of an M-tuned suspension, wheels/tires, and short-shifter for me. It lacks only the immediacy of the M3 engine in return for less money, better gas mileage, lower insurance costs, and reduced maintenance. The moonroof does eat up some headroom and decrease reliability for the reward of opening up the view and air circulation. I'm 6'5" and fit more comfortably without it. The 330i's come standard with power seats - I would have saved the $995 on those in a heartbeat for the increased reliability of the manual sport seat. Oh, and for those that say WHY this mid-40's guy delayed his car purchase so long, my "day job" F18 out accelerates (on a catapult, anyway), out turns, out stops (with arresting gear), and out runs an F1 car. I just fit in an F/A-18 cockpit as well...Great moonroof ...but you leave it CLOSED until it's time to get out. Jim |
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"Oh, and for those that say WHY this mid-40's guy delayed his car purchase so long, my "day job" F18 out accelerates (on a catapult, anyway), out turns, out stops (with arresting gear), and out runs an F1 car." Yes, but does it get better gas mileage?
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Replying to: blueguydotcom (Jun 25, 2004 8:17 am) |
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Jun 28, 2004 8:49 am) Hornet at max range is roughly 1 mile per 1.5 gallons, which is a little worse than an F1 car at WOT. In full blower on the deck, the entire field of 20 cars doesn't use as much fuel as an FA-18 to go a mile (in 5 seconds, though). Strike fighter pilots sweat fuel way more than race car drivers. A full load of fuel can last 10 minutes / or 2 hours. Jim |
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I'm looking at an 330ix with a MSRP of $45,370 (invoice $41,560). What price should I be shooting for with the dealer?
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Replying to: seabush (Jun 28, 2004 5:40 pm) A good deal would be from $1000 to $1500 under invoice, although you might want to make your first offer under that. $40,000 would be about $840 over dealer cost... You might want to start at $39,500. I'm not sure where you are from, or what the market is like in your area. Be advised, some dealers aren't really keen on making great deals.. Great deals are around, but not every dealer will make you one. My local dealer would eat a car, before taking a $1K profit deal... regards, kyfdx
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..... ** Don't worry about resale ** ... If the new owner is too tall, or hopefully they know they will have the vehicle for the next 5/6/7+ years and will roll-up some real tall miles, then a slider and an automatic might not make up much difference ... so your salesperson wasn't being an "idiot", he was just being honest and reflecting the "real deal" market. But the market is changing fast and most folks are trading their vehicles (or at least trying to .l.o.l.) in 30 months or less and a sport model without a hole in the roof can be a crusher by $2,0/$3,000, pull the auto out and it gets ugly after that, it will diminish the "buying" market by 80%+ .. Real enthusiast buyers love to look and feel, but are slow when it comes to the "Hip National Bank", real slow, plus they are only a very small part of the market .... the nice thing about having ALL the toys is, it takes some of the pain away when you have a handshaker and you go to sell it in the short term years ....................  Terry. |
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