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#1497 of 10328 Or... by kyfdx HOST Jun 24, 2004 (12:54 pm)
One of my old high school classmates is an assistant police chief in Fort Worth.. Want me to have her stop by and rough the guy up a bit? LOL Replies to this message: penn5 (Jun 24, 2004 2:50 pm) kyfdx (Jun 25, 2004 5:31 am)
#1498 of 10328 Re: Or... [kyfdx #1497] by penn5 Jun 24, 2004 (2:50 pm)
Replying to: kyfdx (Jun 24, 2004 12:54 pm) nah, that's ok. it's their loss. i'll sit on the sidelines awhile and wait to see what lease incentives bmw offers over the next few months. if i wait a couple of months, i'll also get to see what changes bmw will be making for the 05 3series. Replies to this message: kyfdx (Jun 25, 2004 5:31 am)
#1499 of 10328 Rear Side Impact Airbags by riez Jun 24, 2004 (3:41 pm)
Are you sure it has optional rear side impact airbags? Are these side curtain airbags? The 5 Series added standard side curtain airbags in MY03.   Rear side airbags (non-curtain) were available as a rare special order option in the early model years of the E46. Thinking you could get them in '00. But I thought they went away around '01 or '02.
#1500 of 10328 Re: Or... [penn5 #1498] by kyfdx HOST Jun 25, 2004 (5:31 am)
Replying to: penn5 (Jun 24, 2004 2:50 pm) '05 3-series..   Not many changes... At least initially, sunroof is standard, as is wood trim. Not much else that I have heard....
#1501 of 10328 Good deal or not in SF Bay area? by 5150 Jun 25, 2004 (7:58 am)
Went to Peter Pan BMW in San Mateo, CA and hated their customer service. Finally got SF BMW to match carsdirect.com quote on a 330i w/ ZHP Performance Pkg, Xenon, Heated seats, and moonroof. About $1k below invoice - $2400; essentially dealer wants $1400 profit + whatever holdbacks they get. I didn't negotiate hard since I wasn't sure if I wanted to spend $39k+tax/fees to purchase or if I should lease for 3 yrs. Is this a good deal for this region? Lease or buy? If I buy I think I'd want a new car in 5 years, so how much do you think the 330i is worth with 55k miles in 2009?
#1502 of 10328 5150 by blueguydotcom Jun 25, 2004 (8:17 am)
Call some So Cal dealers. You could save one grand on that price without blinking. You're getting raked over the coals. One $35 southwest ticket to San Diego or Irvine/OC and you're good to go. Heck if you buy the car, they'll probably meet you at the airport and take you to your car.   Is it worth a grand to you?   And whenever you lease you negotiate the price first. The sales price v. msrp is major key in how much you pay on a lease. If you're 2k below invoice and the MSRP is 43k, you're saving major money per month on a lease.   And I have a feeling the e46 BMW will be pretty worthless by 2009. The e90 is going to be a pretty big leap. Replies to this message: smug01 (Jun 25, 2004 8:45 am) 5150 (Jun 25, 2004 11:16 am) djsway (Jun 28, 2004 9:28 am)
#1503 of 10328 Re: 5150 [blueguydotcom #1502] by smug01 Jun 25, 2004 (8:45 am)
Replying to: blueguydotcom (Jun 25, 2004 8:17 am) I agree with the recommendation to try SoCal dealers. I have been searching for the following car:   330Ci w/ ZHP Moonroof Zenons Heated seats Alcantara Interior 6-spd manual   MSRP: $44970 (Including BMW Assist, which it seams all new models are now optioned with)   The best I could get from a NoCal dealer was $42k and they didn't even spend the time to locate a car...said I would have to special order and wait 90 days. I just negotioated a deal from a SoCal dealer for the car at $40k with a 0.0024 MF, should I decide to lease. This seams like a pretty fair deal and the car should be received by the dealer this weekend. I will likely lease the vehicle, hoping that the next month's lease incentive (if there is one) will be a wash.
#1504 of 10328 Re: 5150 [blueguydotcom #1502] by 5150 Jun 25, 2004 (11:16 am)
Replying to: blueguydotcom (Jun 25, 2004 8:17 am) Thanks! So the sales person says that for leases the money factor and residual are set by the bank and depends on the mileage per year I choose. Is that bull or should I demand better? Is the residual value calculated on the negotiated price or the MSRP? I assume the money factor is based on a person's credit rating too and the dealer gets a spread for profit taking. I'm green to leasing and I figure at the end of the lease I can buy or walk away to see if this model e46 will hold its value after 3 years.   I'm heading down to Riverside next month, I may have to visit some dealers near by. My friend referred me to Irvine BMW as volume dealer.   SF bmw offer: 3yr lease 12k mi/year; 54% residual, $642, mf=.00275, dep:$650, dmv $312. msrp: 43095/invoice:$39750; sale price $38750; Options: 330i w/ ZHP,Moonroof, Xenon, heated seats
#1505 of 10328 smug by blueguydotcom Jun 25, 2004 (11:22 am)
That car as configured with metallic paint is only 43,270 on BMW's site. Which puts invoice at 40k. Drop another 2k-1.5k from that price with the rebate and now you're talking.   Secondly, do you have a costco membership? If so, find out the dealer in your area who does Costco pricing. Find out their markup. $500 over invoice before rebates? $1000?   For instance, in San Diego Cunningham BMW does $400 over invoice with Costco. Add in the rebate and you're at 2k under invoice.   38k for that car sounds a whole lot better. Replies to this message: smug01 (Jun 25, 2004 12:49 pm)
#1506 of 10328 by kyfdx HOST Jun 25, 2004 (11:27 am)
Residuals are set by the lender and cannot be changed.. And they are always based on MSRP. The MF is also set by the lender, but BMWFS allows the dealer to bump it by .0004   There is also a bump for waiver of security deposit (.00015) and acquisition fee (.00030, I think). I thought the current base MF on 3-series was .0022, so it looks like maybe they are waiving acqusition and bumping a little..   regards, kyfdx

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