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BMW 3 Series, Sedan, Wagon
Mar 25, 2004 (2:19 pm)
Reellaw here--Now that Spring is kind of coming to NYC I am back in the car market on the 3-series. This is the debate. I have a 325 1994 automatic with only 37,000 miles. I love the BMW. I am thinking of buyingor leasing a 325 or 330. I mostly use the car around the City and weekend trips. The questions:
I am thinking of premium package, sunroof, leather, automatic, heated seats. Don't know whether I need the xi. If it's snowing it is rare that I will drive. Any thoughts of what to do? I know this is a broad request but I love the town hall and I know people are earnest about providing assistance. Also should I wait until the 2005's?
#1136 of 12233 On a market for 325xi
Mar 25, 2004 (7:03 pm)
I am on a market for 2004 325xi. I am in the Washington DC metropolitan area. Can anyone recommend a dealer in the area?
Mar 25, 2004 (7:55 pm)
If you rarely drive in the snow, don't get the xi... My sister-in-law lives in Fort Wayne.. She bought a 325xi, but won't drive it in bad weather.. She kept her '92 Camry and drives that on bad days.. Nuts.
Your option list looks fine. (By the way, sunroof comes with the premium package). Add metallic paint, and that is how 90% of the lot cars are equipped. You shouldn't even have to order, if that is what you want. The one thing I have, and really like, but isn't absolutely necessary, is the Xenon headlights.
Others will tell you that you have to have the sport package (and I have that, too), and it is well worth the $1400, but it isn't for everyone, and does complicate the tire and winter driving issue.
I'd tell you about the great lease deals right now, but with 37K on a '94 model, that obviously isn't for you. No reason to wait for the '05 models. Lease deals are great right now, but the buy deals will get better in late summer, but selection may get worse.
I guess your only real choice is between the 325 and the 330. It is a big money difference. $4k-$5K depending on options. You'll have to test drive for that one.
#1138 of 12233 kohinahi & kyfdx
Mar 25, 2004 (8:41 pm)
kohinahi: I'd advise on getting the BMW. Part of what I loved about the Saab is that it was leased and I only had it for 3 years. The Saab is a nice car, but the BMW is amazing:) The Maintenance package that comes with BMW is truly amazing as well. IT covers everything for the first 4 years or 50,000 miles!
I'd have a 3er coupe myself right now if it weren't for certain circumstances. When the lease was up on my Saab I was living in NYC and basically kept my car up at my parents' house in the suburbs. Since I wasn't driving the car every day, I didn't feel the need to keep a brand new BMW up at my parents' house to sit and rot in the driveway. I ended up finding a leftover 2001 Honda Prelude Type SH back in April 2002.
kyfdx: The story about your sister reminds me of my mother. She drove my Dad and I nuts about the fact that she had to have a car with either FWD or AWD (even though she'd been driving RWD Mercedes for 12 years prior with snow tires with no problems) to replace her 1998 CLK 320 because her new job involves driving up and down steep hills... She ended up leasing an Audi A6 3.0 Quattro (which she curses on a daily basis and truly despises), but what does she drive when it snows? My sister's '00 Jetta VR6!
Right now my above listed Prelude is wonderful (and at $0 per month, I can't beat the payments)! I'm probably going to keep it around for another couple of years and then replace it with probably an E90 325Ci (or 425Ci) or maybe an M2 via European Delivery. When the time comes to replace my Fiancee's 2000 Protege ES in about 2 years, we're going to look hard at the 325i (maybe via ED). My Dad just aquired his 1st BMW (an '04 E53 X5 3.0) and he absolutely loves it! BMWs are special cars! There's a lot of things about them that really excite me.
#1139 of 12233 kyfdx & nyccarguy - Thanks!!
Mar 26, 2004 (7:09 am)
Thanks a lot guys! This (our!) discussion has really helped out. I think I just might turn her from the dark side!!
Two positive externalities of this decision process:
1. My wife has to make this decision on her own. It has been extremely excruciating , but I have restrained myself from biasing her decision. I am just providing her with the information. This is HER car, and I want her to be happy. On the flip side, save groceries, I have a very strong influence in ALL (technology, non-technology – even linens!) purchases within the home. I am a very informed buyer and with me not there to exert my strong opinion – she too is in turmoil!!
2. I have new found respect for my wife – with us being from a very ostentatious society, I thought she would select a BMW or Merc with relative ease (even though she’s very level-headed!). I’m very proud of her for being above such pretensions!!
kyfdx, I was going over one of your previous posts, and realized that you had/have an Acura Legend. That was the ONE car (besides an Infiniti J30) I’ve always wanted!! Too bad they stopped making it……any idea, what replaced it? TL/CL? I am confident they lost significant brand loyalty when they discontinued the Legends, Vigors, etc.
Thanks again guys!
Mar 26, 2004 (7:23 am)
Technically, the RL replaced the Legend.. and the TL replaced the Vigor.. But, as cars keep getting bigger and those lines blur, the TL is actually closer in size to the old Legend. In fact, it is bigger.
The Legend was my aunt's car. It is a '92 and only has 36K miles. She passed away in '99, and I bought it from my uncle last year. The best part: I still get to keep it in his garage!!
My wife also had a '94 Vigor. We leased it for three years. It was the last year for them, and they were basically leasing them with no finance charge. The MSRP was $29K and it only cost $311/mo for 3yr/45k lease.
I'm a big fan of Honda/Acura, but my wife wanted something a little nicer, and since she had leased three 4-cyl Accords, she was due for something nicer. It was almost a TSX, but I found a good deal on the Bimmer.
#1141 of 12233 Help Please!
Mar 26, 2004 (9:58 am)
I am in middle of negotiation to deliver a 325i.
Dealer's invoice added $306 MACO, $160 training service, and $235 pre delivery inspection. The MACO seems high but I understand. The training and pre delivery inspection charges are odd to me. Does anyone experience these charging? Are these fees negotiable?
Your feedbacks are appreciated.
Mar 26, 2004 (11:27 am)
If you notice the invoice price + the training fee will equal edmunds.com invoice...so you're OK there.
Is the MACO $306 on the invoice? I had $250...in VA. Might be different region to region! Did pay this.
The $235 Pre-delivery inspection is definitely negotiable!! If they are charging you a processing fee in addition to the pre-delivery, ask for "atleast" one to be waived.
I did not have the pre-delivery inspection fee, but did have the processing fee ($225)......I asked for it to be waived...After much negotiation (actually it wasn't that much! I did everything over the phone) he reduced $190 from the price.
Best of Luck!
Mar 26, 2004 (12:32 pm)
MACO fees vary by region.. The dealer pays them directly to BMWNA. They are right on the invoice, so nothing shady there. kohinahi is correct about training fees. The BMWNA invoice plus the $160 fee equals the invoice posted everywhere else. Pre-delivery inspection fee is bogus.. Gee, if you don't want it, will they not inspect the car? The final price is all that matters, but if you are working on a certain amount above invoice, then that last one is a garbage fee.
Mar 26, 2004 (12:44 pm)
Thank guys, you are great helpers. I know what to do now.