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#1403 of 1563 Re: C'mon folks [circlew]
Jan 03, 2008 (3:27 pm)
The market is too small. The 1 series is extremely overpriced for what most americans will see it as - a baby 3 series. Hardcore drivers on the flipside will see it as too heavy and e9x-like to really be the second coming of the 2002. It's caught in the middle and rather than attempting to feed one side or the other, BMW tried to straddle the line.
So enthusiasts won't get a light, hardcore coupe and the majority of Bimmer buyers won't get a small, decently priced RWD coupe. The typical bimmer buyer will gripe it's too rough and small and the enthusiasts will grumble it's too heavy, soft-handling and bland to be a fun weekend ripper.
FWIW, I saw it in person and really dug it. But I'd prefer a 4 door version and something a good 400-600 lbs lighter.
#1404 of 1563 Re: C'mon folks [blueguydotcom]
Jan 03, 2008 (6:37 pm)
The enthusiast market has been shoved aside to make way for the poseurs for years (decades?), and here we are with the 1. I used to crave a BMW, but with the RFTs, no dipstick (and a level sensor that doesn't work, BTW), elimination of gauges (oil temp) & added weight all over the place, I'm thinking that a purpose-built appliance might make more sense. If I can't get a BMW the way I'd like it (3 with a diesel, dipstick, real tires (& a spare) & gauges), I may as well buy an Acura.
I'm confident many (many) lemmings will continue to end up driving BMWs, at least until the exchange rate (or a shift in the latest thing to have) puts the house of cards where it was always headed.
Time will tell, as always.
#1405 of 1563 Re: C'mon folks [cdnpinhead]
Jan 04, 2008 (6:45 am)
I'm not sure why you feel the need to insult people.
I still want the 1-series. Is it too heavy? Well, depends on your perspective. What are we comparing it to? Past BMWs? Personally, I don't think that's terribly fair. I mean, if you want an old bimmer, then buy one. They are available. With a bit of care and plenty of maintenance, it should last a while. Our E30 has been good so far.
What it should be compared to is other new cars.
An Acura? Ummm... ok... I wouldn't think a bimmer fan would be willing to give up RWD. I thought that was 1 of the top factors for buying one.(??) If you want FWD, there are many many cars to choose from. I suggest volvo, personally.
But, in reality, let's compare it to comparable vehicles. How novel! So? Shoot. I'm all eyes. I would like to know what else I should consider along with the 1. (i may consider the 3, too, I'll see. but smaller is more appealing to me)
#1406 of 1563 Re: C'mon folks [qbrozen]
Jan 04, 2008 (1:07 pm)
Well, this is one of those "if the shoe fits" kind of things.
Based on posting history over the years, I highly doubt that you are one of the poseurs to whom I referred. What I'm bitching about is the fact (or the concept, or the notion, whatever) that the people who love the badge now drive the train, NOT the people who love cars that handle well.
The fact remains that BMWs continue to handle well and do many of the things that people who love to go around corners fast care about. Great. However, I'm faced with buying something or other in the next year, and I'm not sure that the BMW deserves the #1 place I've put it in over the past 2-3 years. The damn RFTs alone are enough of a problem (okay, I'll buy a set of real tires & dispose of them), but then there's the oil level thing (what does a dipstick cost, really?).
Now, I'm a confirmed low-power kinda guy, so the 335 isn't what I'm looking for, but for those who are, what's with the oil temperature thing?
It just seems to me that everywhere we look, the car is being aimed at people who care more about things that I don't.
I certainly didn't intend to insult you, though I'm perfectly happy to insult the badge-seeking yuppies who think that their (fill in the blank) will be much larger so long as they're driving a "bimmer."
#1407 of 1563 Re: C'mon folks [cdnpinhead]
by kyfdx@Edmunds HOST
Jan 04, 2008 (1:10 pm)
Yuppies don't call them bimmer...
They say, beemer..
That's how you tell them apart....
#1408 of 1563 Re: C'mon folks [kyfdx]
Jan 04, 2008 (1:16 pm)
FYI, Bimmer refers to the car and beamer refers to the motorcycle.
SUVs and Smart Shopper
#1409 of 1563 Re: C'mon folks [tidester]
by kyfdx@Edmunds HOST
Jan 04, 2008 (1:17 pm)
Exactly... the badge hounds don't usually know that...
#1410 of 1563 Re: C'mon folks [cdnpinhead]
Jan 04, 2008 (1:23 pm)
But do you think badge-seeking yuppies will chose a 1-series? I would think the most popular ride for that group is a 525/528.
Someone else said the 1-series alienates the hardcore crowd due to weight. I'm still wondering what new vehicle should be considered as an alternative. So far, nobody has answered that question. I'm really not being facetious. If I can find a lighter RWD new car that is comparable in all other areas, I'd love to read up on it and put it up for consideration for my next ride.
#1411 of 1563 Re: C'mon folks [cdnpinhead]
Jan 04, 2008 (1:27 pm)
Yeah, the tires and dipstick thing bother me until I hit the corners. Somehow, I "fugheddaboutit" on the other side.
#1412 of 1563 Re: C'mon folks [circlew]
Jan 04, 2008 (1:52 pm)
Yeah, I hear you.
I may well be driving a rough-riding, tramlining, noisy, dipstick-less vehicle in six months and probably enjoying the hell out of it.
But it coulda been better!
And it coulda had a diesel!
I doubt that I'll have to hold my nose as hard as blueguy did after his most recent visit to Munich, but. . .