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Ford Escape Hybrid, Hybrid Cars
#326 of 1617 Fuggedaboudit :(
Jun 02, 2004 (7:03 pm)
Well I just stopped by the Ford dealer on Capitol Expressway (San Jose CA), one of the biggest in the South Bay.
They've been told by Ford that "we're trying to make sure every dealer in California gets at least 1 Hybrid car in 2004". This is a big Ford dealer, and they think they might swing 2 or 3. They already have firm orders for several times that many.
This dealer is slapping $2000 over sticker onto the REGULAR 2005 Escape, so god knows what the Hybrid will be marked up... I'd guess $3500 at the dealer. That's in addition to Ford's extra sticker premium, itself going to be maybe a $3500 premium over the regular V6 Escape. Add delivery and 8.25% tax, and assume they'll all come with the expensive and pointless "optional" hybrid display/GPS nav system/premium audiophile package. So we're talking MINIMUM $35,000 to drive one off the lot, and estimated delivery about 9-12 months. Probably a lot of people who get them will just immediately resell on eBay for $40-45,000.
Bottom line, the car sounds quite appealing in theory, but in practice the 2005 is just a toy for the very rich. I guess I'll just wait till the 2006 model year and see if things ease up.
#327 of 1617 Re: Hybrid Escape (not Midwest) [moparbad #307]
Jun 02, 2004 (8:55 pm)
The thing that bothers me about the Hybrid is how vague the MPG predictions are. First they said it would get 35-40 MPG with the same power as the V6. Last I heard it will only get 28 MPG with less power than the V6. That is only marginally better than the 25 MPG I currently get with my V6. When you add in the cost of battery replacement every 5 years (I hear the battery will cost 3k!) I hardly see this hybrid as cost effect.
I think ford should have gone the way of a turbo charged diesel in the escape. It is a proven technology with 50+ MPG.
What a disappointment the wait has been for this hybrid escape.
#328 of 1617 Hybrid is Not Cost Effective
Jun 03, 2004 (7:21 am)
As compared to normal gas or diesel cars, it also looks like hybrids in general skew really high on epa tests as compared to normal driving, so you cannot use the epa figures as a basis for comparison when calculating cost savings for a hybrid to a non-hybrid vehicle.
Jun 03, 2004 (9:13 am)
That's probably why they are being careful (or vague, pick your stance).
Toyota had a press release, IIRC, about the EPA measures and how owners might not match those figures.
Ford is being very careful, they want to brag but not heighten expectations to a point they can't meet.
#330 of 1617 Detroit Free Press
Jun 03, 2004 (2:55 pm)
Someone on another board posted an interesting test of the Ford Escape Hybrid. Since it was a pre-production model there were a few problems. I am not sure if I can cut and paste the article here. I am sure if you do a search, you can find it. They did mention that the Escape's power steering kept failing during the test. Hopefully a minor glitch. They also posted their MPG. Interesting reading.
#331 of 1617 USA Today
Jun 03, 2004 (4:01 pm)
also did a test. It's on www.usatoday.com.
#333 of 1617 Hybrid battery
Jun 05, 2004 (5:53 pm)
Capers - this is directly from Ford's website. There will be no need for a replacement battery in 5 years. It's under warranty for 8 years or even 10 years in states like CA.
"Unique Hybrid components such as the High Voltage Battery, Electronically Controlled Continuously Variable Transmission, and DC/DC converter will have an additional warranty coverage of 8 years/ 100,000 miles (10 years, 150,000 miles in PZEV states were required by law). This is in addition to the standard Ford Warranty coverages like the Bumper-to-Bumper 3 year/36,000 mile warranty, Roadside Assistance, Tires, Corrosion Protection, Safety Restraints and Emissions."
#334 of 1617 Sticker Price
Jun 05, 2004 (5:55 pm)
I think will be far above $23,000. Predictions by USA Today and other reviews say it should be in the $27,000 range.
Jun 06, 2004 (10:45 am)
Ok - lets just say it is an 8 year 100k warranty. So in about 4 years I will have close to 100k on this vehicle. I go try to sell it, and everyone figures that they need to budget at least $3k - $5k or more in case the batteries need to be replaced, not even thinking about other expensive components are about to go off warranty. This will kill the value of this car when you go to trade or sell. This is for a car which was very expensive to buy new, as the conventional wisdom on this thread is that it will be $3,500 more than a V6 Escape, which will actually be closer to $6 to $7 thousand more when you factor in the lack of incentives. Talk about depreciating like a rock - this thing will probably go from the $30k retail to being worth a couple of grand in that 4 year, 90k mile period.
The other alternative is to hold on and face thousands of dollars of potential repair bills as this new technology starts breaking, especially in consideration that this is new technology from Found On Road Dead (Ford). The CVT transmission scares me as much as the engine, as I can see huge repair bills just for this component when it starts going.
It gets back to being a guinea pig. Or being a rich limousine liberal. But if you are a working class stiff making less than $200k per year, you can't afford to buy a car that will depreciate over $20k in four years. But lets thank all the rich people who will volunteer to be guinea Pigs, so that maybe in a few years the technology will be perfected and cheaper and the rest of us who are not multi millionaires can then benefit.