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Ford Escape Hybrid, Hybrid Cars
#1172 of 1617 Will it really save our money?
Jun 18, 2005 (3:26 pm)
I am driving my old Ford Aerostar with 18MPG in the city and spending about $20/week for gas. I calculated that Ford Escape Hybrid with 36MPG in the city (at the best) would save me $10/week or $520/year. I went today to local Ford Escape Hybrid dealer to ask some questions. I have learned that the power battery has 10 years manufacturing warranty and it is good. What is not so good after that the replacement price will be $6,900 plus labor! So after 10 years of driving and saving about $5,200 on gas I will have to spend much more on battery and it will make me loose about $2000. For those who will make most miles on highways it will be even worse. However we don't know what prices for gas will be 1, 2 or 10 years from now, but still for those of you who counts $31.40 for 10,000-mile service cost it should be important to know. Another thing: when I came to see 2005 Escape Hybrid it was a sticker price on it $28,900 that should be for 2006 AWD (All Wheel Drive) model. However when I asked to lift it I saw that it is FWD (Front Wheel Drive) model that has MSRP $26,900 for 2006 model and probably some less for remaining 2005 models, so watch out.
#1173 of 1617 Re: Will it really save our money? [doubted]
Jun 19, 2005 (9:22 am)
Does it save money? No. Does is conserve petroleum resources? Yes!
#1174 of 1617 Re: Will it really save our money? [doubted]
Jun 19, 2005 (12:15 pm)
As far as saving money goes, it's easy to save with a hybrid if you put on lots of miles fast and they include lots of city, stop and go, or slow driving. It is incredibly unlikely that the relatively new metal hydride batteries will cost $6,900 in 2015! And, if you put on lots of miles, the car will probably be worn out before the batteries are even off warranty. Besides, they may last 20 years.
It's also very easy to save money if gasoline rises a lot in price during the life of the vehicle, which is a distinct possibility. What will a Hummer be worth if gasoline goes to $6/gal?
But the point of a hybrid is to pollute less and conserve resources.
#1175 of 1617 Some suggestions to manufacturers
Jun 19, 2005 (4:39 pm)
I agree that saving petroleum and pollution reduction is important. It wold be nice if manufacturers of hybrids would provide a way to partially charge the battery overnight from the house (garage) electric system. The power needed is about the same or less what electric water heater takes. Demand for power at night hours is low. The few miles driving using home energy would save some gas and money every day. Reduction of pollution will also take place because some portion of electric energy in the system produced without burning petroleum like hydroelectric, nuclear, some wind, solar and natural gas. What manufacturing has to do is to reprogram the system to allow a deeper discharge of the battery on the way home (not allow the gas engine to completely recharge battery) to make room for home energy to flow in to battery and make an outlet for a power cable connection.
#1176 of 1617 Re: Some suggestions to manufacturers [doubted]
Jun 21, 2005 (6:33 pm)
The battery isn't large enough for that to pay off. It serves as a small storage place for the vehicle's kinetic energy when you stop and start or drive with varying speed, etc. There isn't enough energy in the battery to move the vehicle more than a mile or two at very low speed.
I have thought about getting an electric warmer for the oil, though. Last winter, the car seldom warmed up enough for the engine to shut down on short trips in my small town.
#1177 of 1617 First dealer service (10K miles)
Jun 21, 2005 (10:29 pm)
Had my first dealer experience today. I came in with Mobil 1 5w20 oil and my Wix filter (includes the needed o-rings for total of about $5 unlike the Motorcraft filter). I had a certificate from the dealer for a free oil change, which they honored without question. They decided to use my filter, but gave me a Motorcraft filter and o-ring to take home for next time, which is good because I'm hearing many dealers are charging extra on their LOF for the more costly filter.
I also had them try to track down my suspension squeak, which they were able to hear but can't find yet. They want more time with the rig to chase it than I had to give them. Overall a positive experience.
#1178 of 1617 Re: Noises /Was:First dealer service (10K miles) [stevewa]
Jun 22, 2005 (7:07 am)
I have had a suspension squeak, too. It comes and goes, causing me to incorrectly think I've fixed it. If you ever find it, please post the location/solution here.
I also hear a very high-pitched whine. This appears to occur only when the electric motor is turning (in either direction). Do other owners hear this? Is it normal for the vehicle? I only notice it at low speeds with the windows open.
#1179 of 1617 Re: First dealer service (10K miles) [stevewa]
Jun 23, 2005 (6:31 am)
Hi stevewa. Can you provide the Wix part numbers (and your source) for the filter and o-ring. I paid $13 for the Motorcraft filter at the dealer. They had no o-ring in stock (and no plans to order any). The guy at the parts counter told me to re-use the old one, even though the manual indicates to replace it. Nice customer service, don't you think?
#1180 of 1617 Coolant Pump Problems
Jun 23, 2005 (6:38 am)
I recently was (stranded out of town) due to a failure on the electric motor coolant pump. I was towing a small utility trailer along an old jeep trail, so I was in electric mode most of the time. The dealer service rep said that this had nothing to do with the problem, but I'm not convinced. The rep also said that this problem was on the Ford "hotline, " so it is happening to other vehicles. Anyone else have this problem? If not, be careful if you are off-road!
Also, a reply to Jim regarding the whine at low speeds. I hear it also. I think that it is nothing to worry about and just noise from the motor/generator spinning. Anyone else?