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Honda Odyssey, Transmission, Van
#133 of 882 Classic Xaf...
Mar 08, 2003 (2:20 pm)
...Making a reference to a resource without actually reading it, not even the first sentence.
Kinda like when he claimed that Consumer Reports showed the Odyssey in a downward reliability trend, but was unable to justify his claims. The 2003 Auto issue is just out, and no Honda Odyssey model years were below average; 1999 and 2000 were average and 1995-1998 and 2001-2002 were above average. The overall reliability projection was 22% above average. No years appeared on the, "Used Cars to Avoid" or, "Reliability Risks" tables. The Odyssey did, however, appear on the, "CR Good Bets" table.
In the category breakdowns (p.95 for Xaf's benefit), the transmissions area was given the top marks (2% problem rate or less) for 1995-1997 and 2000-2002, and the second best category (2%-5% problem rate) for 1998 and 1999.
This is not to say the transmissions are problem free, but certainly no where nearly as bad as Xaf wants people to believe for some strange reason.
Mar 08, 2003 (7:21 pm)
I am an 'O3 Ody owner. But it is true that the '99 Ody was on Consumer Reports' "used cars to avoid" list. If you look in previous years' auto issue, 'tis a fact. You're right about there never being a "downward reliability trend", unless you look at 1998 & 1999 years in isolation. Now that I'm looking at the April '03 issue, you're right. How does a vehicle come off a "used cars to avoid" list retroactively?! I'm starting to wonder about Consumer Reports! I've had an '85 Voyager. It was "good, but not great." I have more faith that Honda is addressing quality control problems, however. Corporate culture doesn't change quickly.
Mar 08, 2003 (7:24 pm)
There were probably some first-year issues with the Odyssey which Honda has now addressed and those owners are no longer experiencing problems.
#136 of 882 99 Odysseys
Mar 10, 2003 (4:27 am)
I would think that the 99 Odys to avoid should specifically be the EX models, since they had more problems relating to their doors. I have the LX, and to date it's been a champ, just requiring routine maintenance. Overall, the problem rate was still low, and your chances of getting a major problem was still in the small minority of total owners.
Mar 10, 2003 (8:55 am)
I think I'll buy a 10yr/100K Miles extended warranty from 1sourceautowarranty.com, Emerald Plan, for $279 with a $200 deductible. This will cover the transmission, engine, and A/C. I hope I will never have to use it, but even if I pay the $200 deductible, it would still be less than what it would cost to repair the transmission/engine/ or A/C.
Does anyone disagree?
#138 of 882 re: Engine Problems
Mar 11, 2003 (6:34 am)
I found that 3rd party extended warranties have a lot of fine print and a lot of weasel wording that enabled them to slease out of fully covering tranny repairs on my old '95 Plymouth Voyager. I bought the HondaCare warranty ($875) with my (so far absolutely flawless) '00 EX. Haven't had to put it to the test yet, but it seemed very comprehensive and specifically states the few things that are NOT covered. Of course the two potential problem areas on my van the EGR system and Transmission are now covered by addtional Honda warranties, so I probably didn't need to buy the extended warranty.. but it's still nice to have the piece of mind.
Mar 11, 2003 (2:57 pm)
"How does a vehicle come off a "used cars to avoid" list retroactively?!"
Each new CR auto issue is based on problem rates over the last 12 months. So, the April '03 issue is based on a new 12-month span than the April '02 issue. So, it is certainly possible that the 1999 Odyssey could have been "average" for the last 24 months, but "below average" for the previous 12. There were a number of first year recalls for the 1999 Odyssey, particularly on the power doors. Once fixed for the recalls, those issues may not recur and that alone may account for this (just speculation). Pretty much what anonymousposts suggested.
Thanks for the backup, in any case:-) It is clear that the trend is upward, for the last couple years at least.
#140 of 882 2nd transmission replacement
Mar 11, 2003 (4:46 pm)
Have a 2000 Ody. Replaced first Tranny at about 45000km (1 year ago - scraping/rotating noise). Was told replacement was "new" but having read recent posts on the Remanufactured replacement program, now I am not so sure. Just had the Transmission replaced again!! (65000km, odd shifting, Engine Light). Overall, impressed with Honda Service on both occasions - provided rental, relatively quick replacement etc.
Howver questions remain:
Should I expect another trans problem in 1 to 2 yrs?
Has the transmission design really changed since this time last year (as the Honda Canada rep is insisting)?
Are the 2003, 2004 Model transmissions (5 speed) any better?
Anyone tried/have success in getting assistance from Honda in "trading up" to the newer 5 sp model?
Like the van generally but don't want to be living in fear of the trans failing some time when we're far from home...
#141 of 882 2nd transmission replacement
Mar 12, 2003 (4:55 am)
"Anyone tried/have success in getting assistance from Honda in "trading up" to the newer 5 sp
I had gotten the impression looking at the shop manuals that new 5 sp tranny wouldn't be an exact mate for the '00 engine.
#142 of 882 Updated 5 speed transmission
Mar 12, 2003 (8:58 am)
If the Engine computer also controls the transmission, the 5 speed cannot replace the 4 speed without a computer change.