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Renault Le Car, Coupe
#46 of 55 Re: Shifty: [jrosasmc]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Jul 11, 2007 (6:38 am)
I really have no sound basis to judge reliability of a 504 Peugeot over a 142 or 242 Volvo, but I can say with total assurance that a Peugeot is far more comfortable and fun to drive and just as sturdy. Probably what might hurt Peugeot reliability is the lack of adequate parts and service, leading to postponed maintenance and botched repairs from incompetent people.
I think in France a Peugeot would be just as reliable as a Volvo, as long as you stay away from a) turbos and b) the not-so-good models, like the...was it....604? Of course Volvo made bad cars, too, like their diesel and their own 164 and 264 series....
So you know, it depends on what models you compare to what models. The newer compact and subcompact Peugeot turbo diesels are fabulous little cars to drive but I have no idea about how they hold up.
#47 of 55 Re: Shifty: [Mr_Shiftright]
Jul 11, 2007 (12:55 pm)
That was the problem. People would defer maintenance or take them to shops who didn't understand them. Those diesels were strong and long lasting but people who had no business owning one would just kill them.
There was a guy around here who specialized in them and had a pretty captive market. He pulled no punches and he would give stern lectures to abusive owners. If the abuse or neglect was severe, we would simply refuse their business.
I remember he once told me, that a well maintained Peugeot Diesel could easily go 300,000 miles an more but the average owner would "kill" them in about 150,000 miles.
My buddy bought a 604 Turbo Diesel new and drove it withou major incident for something like 230,000 miles. he dumped it when the heater core started leaking...I think it called for 14 hours of miserable labor plus parts!
#48 of 55 Re: Shifty: [isellhondas]
Jul 11, 2007 (2:14 pm)
Go to Buenos Aires and you'll see (and smell) hundreds of 504 diesel taxis. I imagine they're experts at maintenance. (sorry for the big pic)
#49 of 55 Re: Shifty: [isellhondas]
Jul 11, 2007 (2:15 pm)
My amsoil rep when I ran my shop had a Turbo Diesel wagon that ended up with the same fate as your friends. It went to about 275,000 miles before something broke that they couldn't get the part for.
The guy next to me could fix any of those, "funny fogiun cars" as people in southern Virginia used to call them. He pronounced thew wagon DOA after he saw what part has failed. You just couldn't get them in the US anymore.
#50 of 55 Renault Koleos/QM5
Nov 22, 2007 (3:35 am)
Renault Samsumg Motors., the South Korean affiliate of French automaker Renault, unveiled Monday (Nov. 19) its first ever SUV, the QM5 which will go on sale in the domestic market from early December. The same car but with a different grille will also be available under the Renault brand as the Koleos in 2008. The QM5 is based on the underpinnings of the Nissan Qashqai crossover which has proven quite successful in Europe. This is the news.
How can a company in the US import such a vehicle? It has supper off-road and on-road characteristics by the use of a switch (on/off). When it is ‘on’ all the AWD and front and rear suspension are affected electronically.
#51 of 55 Re: Renault Koleos/QM5 [batman47]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Nov 22, 2007 (7:48 am)
They can only import it by building it to USA Federal specification. I suppose they could sneak a few in as museum pieces or race cars.
#52 of 55 Re: Renault Koleos/QM5 [Mr_Shiftright]
Nov 22, 2007 (5:21 pm)
Perhaps the same could be said for cars imported into Europe (specifications). The reliability of American cars is just appalling.