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Renault Le Car, Coupe
Jan 10, 2003 (5:10 pm)
I'm not sure I understand the distinction, sorry.
My point was that calling himself a "collector" seemed rather pretentious in the case of such a car as the R5. It just struck me as odd since I am used to the term being used as in "collecting fine things", that is, a connoiseur of something.
But in reality that is true, one can "collect" whatever one wishes--Hummels, leaves, marbles, manhole covers etc. Like Isell says, "one can collect anything". I stand corrected!
The LeCar did make the "Ten Worst Cars of the Milennium" List on a popular write-in vote-- but didn't win, so that's something: the Yugo took top honors.
Jan 12, 2003 (11:02 pm)
I have a lot of respect for Tom & Ray, and try to listen to their show when I can. What does a list established by a comedy show prove?
Jan 13, 2003 (6:27 am)
I guess that no matter how bad a car, someone will like them.
Personally, I can't think of too many worse cars, but that's only my opinion.
What could be worse than a Renault? Yugos? Lancias?
Jan 13, 2003 (8:27 am)
It's not Tom and RAy that "proved" anything. This was a survey.
Anyway, I like Renaults. I even have a pair of genuine Dauphine cufflinks, which I may sell on Ebay once the Dauphine market picks up...maybe around the year 2050 or so.
#29 of 55 Isellhondas
Jan 13, 2003 (11:10 pm)
To me this forum is a place where knowledge can be exchanged. I have learned a lot here, and it greatly helped me buy my current car. Silly, misinformed comments do not further anything. The reason I restarted this post is because it, as well as it predecessor, was full of errors and miss informations.
The next time you buy a used car for $400 and put over 100,000 miles on it (only one major repair: head gasket on original engine at about 145,0000), before reselling it, then please tell me about it.
Jan 14, 2003 (6:45 am)
Were meant to be tongue in cheek...however...
You have had incredible luck with a car that wasn't known for reliability.
My point was...and I probably did a poor job of stating it is, no matter how bad a car's reputation, some people will still like these cars and will somehow avoid the normal problems associated with them.
Kinda like walking in a rainstorm and not getting wet.
Jan 14, 2003 (8:34 am)
Do you still remember the Alliance/Encore line? What did you make of those cars when they were new?
Jan 14, 2003 (8:51 am)
Point well taken, but did it occur to you WHY you got this car for $400? Because nobody else wanted it.
Which is great, if you have the skills and patience to keep an R5 going. Most people are greatly disappointed when they buy an R5. You can't see that much "flak" about a car without something behind it that's true...where there's smoke, there's an R5.
I buy cars all the time that nobody else wants or can't fix. I've owned just about every "bad" car you can name and gotten good service out of it. How many people you know drove an MGB cross-country without a "burp"?. But I have access to parts and information, a lift, and a very large toolbox. I didn't "avoid" the problems with these bad cars, I anticipated them and/or fixed them.
I almost bought an R5 about two years ago for $200 for use as a "dock car" but it got towed away by the city of San Francisco same day I came to pick it up, and between the towing charges and parking tickets owed on it, it wasn't worth the $525 to me.
One problem is that most surviving R5s are beaters.
If you found a low mileage well-maintained R5, you might have a chance. I'd buy one if I saw a car like that and it was cheap.
But quite frankly, if you encourage people to buy R5s on the premise that they are really great, trouble-free cars and that their reputation is spurious, I think you would be doing people a bad turn, IMO.
Jan 15, 2003 (10:38 pm)
I absolutely would not advise anyone to buy one now, quite to the contrary. Parts are truly impossible to get, even exhaust pipes. The few surviving ones are on their last leg.
What I said is that through the 80s and early 90s you could find one for very little money and get a reliable daily driver if you care to maintain it. My brother-in-law, before I knew him, did just that.
Jan 16, 2003 (8:13 am)
Well fair enough then!