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#371 of 2475 Real-Bottom-Line of Quest's victory over Sienna
Jul 29, 2003 (6:45 pm)
On Monday, July 28th 2003...Me and a friend test drove both the 2004 Nissan Quest and Toyota Sienna vans within 1 hour or so of each other on the same road course and same exact environmental conditions, especially over some rough roads and highway driving. Both the Nissan and Toyota dealerships are across from each other in the auto-mall, so this gave us the opportunity to test the models in the same environment. The Nissan beats the Toyota hands-down IMHO, especially in driving dynamics...Nissan did a great job in the independent suspension design and a way longer wheelbase, while the Toyota is down-right cheap in the rear suspension design IMHO "cost-cutting for Toyota for it did not want to put the effort into designing a new suspension design to beat the competition ("Toyota trying to maximize profits at the detriment of consumers...IMHO") I am sure that I might get some flack from Toyota faithfulls...but this is true IMHO...I am sure it is not a problem to have technical discussions elsewhere in townhall in regards to suspension design and engineering, only for those who actually know what they are talking about...
Exterior-wise the Nissan wins again, especially with style and grace and functionality.
Interior-wise I like the Quests new dash layout and greater interior space then that of the Sienna, I am six feet one in height...The Toyota looks really small inside...note my friend drives a 1997 Grand Caravan/Voyager. I was shocked after being in the new Quest, how seemingly the 1997 Grand Caravan/Voyager felt so cramped inside while going home...that was an amazing experience in itself.
The rearmost headrest in the Toyota are for kids-only size while in the Quest has all headrests that are appropriate size for adult-size use.
Both vans exhibit excellent fit and finish IMHO.
Now the biggest kicker of-all...PRICE...and real take home PRICE potential.
I went to the Richmond Automall, British Columbia, Canada. Currently this is the price gap between the following...in Canadian funds
Fully loaded Nissan Quest 3.5SE with all options and extra cost white pearl paint and dual DVD & NAV $50,380.00 with PDI and freight
Toyota XLE FWD with extra cost white pearl paint is $45,007.00 with PDI and freight
The Toyota dealerships here in Canada have fixed Access Pricing so you can not negotiate nothing at all. But I am sure that a couple of grand off the New Quest is available with a cash purchase.
Last but not least look at all the features for the full-load Quest versus just a Toyota XLE FWD...Again the Nissan wins...especially when you include the real take-home pricing potential.
Anyone is welcome to check out the Canadian websites for verification of my information.
Thus, to conclude the Nissan Quest really beats the Sienna for every penny invested, when you reach the REAL-BOTTOM-LINE.
#372 of 2475 short supply on purpose?
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Jul 29, 2003 (7:41 pm)
"Dealers are charging more for certain models, creating more 'buzz' and leading buyers to spend thousands on purchases.
The Nissan Quest minivan, for example, is often selling for $500 over its sticker price..."
#373 of 2475 One easy solution for pricing monopoly
Jul 29, 2003 (10:36 pm)
Personally...here in British Columbia, Canada, I believe that Toyota's Access Pricing scheme is total way off-base and over priced IMHO. Just by checking the competition...this is obvious to see.
As a result, I would not purchase a Toyota or Lexus model unless there was some room for negotiation.
One solution is to boycott these manufacturers to teach them a lesson. Once the inventory levels have reached critical levels...prices will drop dramatically or the manufacture will go out of business. This is just an opinion of mine and will force the hand of all manufacturers in the automobile industry to compete better not only in the technical side of vehicle design, but also on proper pricing structures.
It is amazing to see how many people just shop and purchase blindly for lot of items, not just vehicles in particular.
Personally...I shop around to see what is truly the best value for every penny invested ROI (return on investment) Isn't the industry to be consumer driven and not the other-way around.
Just my two err...one cent worth of input!!!
#374 of 2475 Re: Real-Bottom-Line of Quest's victory over Sienna by mlherczeg
Jul 31, 2003 (3:47 am)
Unless I missed it, but how do you get to the bottom line win? You show the Quest at 5k over the Toyota, and even if Nissan starts to deal, I find it difficult to believe you will be able to get 5K off a new Quest. Unless the thing totally tanks, there is just not going to be enough factory money out there to get that low.
I agree with many of your points about the Quest over the Sienna in terms of driving dynamics and the general feeling of roominess. The looks department, well in both cases its very subjective, I tend to give the hat to the Quest but my wife likes the Sienna as she says the Quest has a ugly face.
In any case, could you more clearly delineate the win at the bottom line? Thanks.
Jul 31, 2003 (2:53 pm)
the Quest and the Sienna won't be able to compete once the new Odyssey rolls out in Spring/Summer 2004!
#376 of 2475 Quest Owner/Nav Manuals
Aug 01, 2003 (1:33 pm)
For those who are interested in learning more about the Quest, Nissan has the Owner and Nav System manuals posted as PDFs.
They're at www.nissan-techinfo.com. Navigate to Publications, Owner Manuals.
Here's a direct link (not sure if it will work):
#377 of 2475 purchased Quest 3.5SL
Aug 02, 2003 (10:37 am)
My wife and I took delivery of a 3.5SL this morning. Our dealer had 2 of them last night, the Silver Mist (which we bought) and one in Green Tea. Both were SL models.
I won't detail our transaction because we traded in a leased Altima, but the salesman did say there is about $2000-2500 in wiggle room on the Quest. There was a "Market Adjustment" of $960, but he told me to ignore it because "who pays sticker".
I picked it up this morning and drove it for about 15 miles. I can report more later, and if anyone has questions, post 'em and I'll try to answer. BTW, it's with my wife at work right now, so all answers will have to come later.
#378 of 2475 Full Review
Aug 02, 2003 (2:59 pm)
For those who are interested, there is a full-test of the Quest in the September issue of Car and Driver. Its a bit... harsh, in my opinion, but succint and well written, as usual.
#379 of 2475 Quest vs Sienna pricing
Aug 02, 2003 (6:39 pm)
Okay, I must really be missing something.
With similar options, the Sienna seems to
come in at a higher price, MSRP and dealer
Are prices different in Cananda?
#380 of 2475 well I think it depends
Aug 02, 2003 (9:03 pm)
What trim lines of the Sienna and Quest are you talking about, and which options?