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#249 of 278 Re: Bucket-seat full-sized cars ca. 1969-70 [andre1969]
Jan 27, 2012 (11:04 am)
I remember last year I saw a Citation with "antique" plates on it - it was pretty immaculate looking, in a kind of yucky period light yellow.
It must have really been an eye-opener in the malaise days to go from old land yachts to very downsized cars. Some people were probably never comfortable again...I am pretty sure that's one reason my mother held onto her old T-Bird until the mid 80s.
Oh that reminds me, I once had a co-worker who had a Pontiac Phoenix as his first car. He claimed there were hills in Seattle it couldn't climb - he'd have to back down and turn around. I'd guess that old 4 wasn't the best unit.
#250 of 278 Re: Bucket-seat full-sized cars ca. 1969-70 [fintail]
Jan 27, 2012 (2:37 pm)
I think he might be hyping it a bit. The Iron Duke was rather a pig, but we had a Citation as a rental years ago while visiting Seattle and went into the mountains and then up to Vancouver and never experienced that. It would complain and lose some speed, but it always made it. They were actually kind of roomy for a small car with a decent highway ride, but had awfully wide turning circles.
#251 of 278 Re: Bucket-seat full-sized cars ca. 1969-70 [berri]
Jan 27, 2012 (2:44 pm)
Of course, the Phoenix was about 15 years old at the time. Still, maybe an exaggeration.
I had a friend with a Bronco II in high school that didn't like some of the steep hills in town, it would get down to a crawl. It was far from new then, too.
#252 of 278 Re: Bucket-seat full-sized cars ca. 1969-70 [berri]
Jan 27, 2012 (3:16 pm)
I remember renting a Pontiac 4 cyl in San Francisco only 8 years ago, and it struggled to get up the steeper hills...
#253 of 278 Re: Bucket-seat full-sized cars ca. 1969-70 [fintail]
Jan 28, 2012 (2:46 am)
About the Citation--in '85 I had put a deposit on a new burgundy Monte Carlo SS to replace my '82 Monte V6. I was moving back to the Cleveland area, where my '81 Monte V8 had been stolen and never recovered, and my '82 had been broken into. I was 27 and decided to not get a third Monte and got my deposit back (they didn't want to give it back but I argued they could've sold the SS the next day). A couple months later, I ordered a Celebrity Eurosport, but I looked long and hard at the Citation X-11 they had in stock. I knew they were the same car underneath, and in an X-11 you could get a stick (although the car in stock didn't have one). I bailed on the idea thinking I'd take a resale bath, back when I was a bachelor and buying a new car every three years or so. I liked the '85 Citation dash too (no more vertical radio), but in a few years every one you saw had a big hump in the cover over the radio and HVAC controls.
#254 of 278 Re: Bucket-seat full-sized cars ca. 1969-70 [uplanderguy]
Jan 28, 2012 (7:42 am)
Your Celebrity was a coupe, right? Those are pretty uncommon anymore. When I was a kid, I thought a black Eurosport wagon wasn't bad looking...been ages since I've seen one. I did see a pre-89 Pontiac 6000 the other day. I remember my 5th grade teacher had a Pontiac 6000 coupe.
I bet resale on the final year Citations was pretty bad, it would have looked pretty old in just a couple years.
#255 of 278 Re: Bucket-seat full-sized cars ca. 1969-70 [fintail]
Jan 28, 2012 (12:21 pm)
My Eurosport was a two-door, although in hindsight it looked like a block of wood! It was a dark plum color, can't think of what GM called it, but my nephew called it 'purple'! It was monotone..a lot of them were silver underneath the side molding, which I didn't like. It was the only car I ordered. I wanted a cheaper 6000-STE so bought the 2.8 MFI V6, full gauges, and was forced to order the four-speed automatic which a friend's Dad, a GM Service Manager, told me to avoid, and I did have no 3rd or 4th gears at 37K miles but GM replaced for $100 as a goodwill gesture (powertrain warranty was 24K miles). The car had the most livable back seat of any two-door I'd owned, I think--well, other than the '77 Impala coupe my folks gave me when I graduated college in '80.
When I ordered the car, the salesman told me the aluminum wheels (same style as Citation X-11) were on backorder. I said 'if they're not on the car, I'm not buying it.'. He made the mistake of telling me he got a status update on ordered units every Monday a.m. He also told me 'six to eight weeks'. It came in the twelfth week. When I picked it up, it didn't have the floor mats that I ordered and were on the window sticker. He acted like I was bothering him to ask! It was from Tim Timmers in Norcross, GA. Don't know if they're still there or not.
#256 of 278 Re: Bucket-seat full-sized cars ca. 1969-70 [uplanderguy]
Jan 28, 2012 (2:30 pm)
I once ordered a 71 Plymouth Sebring that also came different than its window sticker, but the dealer made it good without hassle when I pointed it out. Unfortunately, I should have walked away because it turned out to be a nice looking POC. Thankfully, I don't think that happens with today's technology and much smaller options list.
#257 of 278 Re: Bucket-seat full-sized cars ca. 1969-70 [uplanderguy]
Jan 28, 2012 (9:00 pm)
To me, a Citation hatch looks like a football from the beltline up, so pick your poison
How did that Celebrity hold up? Unrelated, I know, but my dad had a S-10 Blazer of the same year, and it was pretty junky. An aunt had an 86 Celebrity, she was admittedly neglectful when it came to maintenance, but it was looking more than the worse for wear by the early 90s.
Those "glass house" Impala/Caprice coupes were cool in their own way, unique styling trait anyway.
Shame about that dealer...I think the internet has put an end to some of the ineptitude, now if you are wronged you can tell the world in just a few minutes. Cool you had a special order though, I don't remember anyone in my family doing that - always off the lot for us.
#258 of 278 Re: Bucket-seat full-sized cars ca. 1969-70 [fintail]
Jan 29, 2012 (3:10 am)
The trans is the only thing I remember going on the Eurosport. It had 60K miles when I traded it for an '89 Beretta GT. One dumb design element: when the Celebrity was introduced, there wasn't a Eurosport variant with the thick steering wheel. I ordered mine without a tilt wheel. From where I sat (I'm only 5'8"), the top half of the wheel completely obliterated the view of the entire (ribbon) speedometer! Duh!
It did corner very well...had Goodyear Eagles from the factory. I remember driving a friend's '84 Monte Carlo V6 and taking a corner like I would have in the Eurosport. The Monte felt like it was going to roll over!
A couple small things I liked: the optional gauges looked like instruments on a high-end stereo receiver back then...very thin needles...and since I ordered the highest-end factory radio at the time, there was a little emblem on the dash that said "ERS" and underneath it said "Extended Range Sound System".