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Re: Rally 2's... [andre1969] by bobbotroncfh1
Aug 20, 2007 (9:26 pm)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Aug 20, 2007 4:34 pm)

Awesome. Thanks man. This forum is so cool. They're wrapped in Winston Californian I's.
P215/75R15. So must be the '73-'77 LeMans then. How much do you think I can get for 'em? They're not that great condition. A little rust, and a couple of the emblems are missing, but all the ring covers (?) are there. Tread's pretty good for what its worth.
 
Thank you very much for your help.
 
Robert
Northridge, CA
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Re: Rally 2's... [andre1969] by lemko
Aug 21, 2007 (5:22 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Aug 20, 2007 4:34 pm)

Remember that 1969 Catalina convertible we saw at Macungie with the messed-up Endura nose? How would you fix that and does anybody make aftermarket Endura noses? I'm always worried about those filler panels on my 1989 Cadillac Brougham but fortunately there are aftermarket sources for them. I'm sure you've seen how awful a Caddy looks when those filler panels go bad! Vomitrocious!
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Re: Rally 2's... [bobbotroncfh1] by texases
Aug 21, 2007 (6:04 am)
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Replying to: bobbotroncfh1 (Aug 20, 2007 9:26 pm)

Take a look at what they're going for on Ebay.
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This is only a rough reference point... by andre1969
Aug 21, 2007 (7:36 am)
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but I saw a set of 4 Pontiac Rally 2's in the big bolt pattern (full-size cars) for sale at, of all places, the Mopar Nationals at Carlisle PA. The seller was asking $300 for the set, which included the trim rings and center caps. Can't remember if the chrome acorn lugs were included or not.
 
They're actually pretty hard to come by in the big bolt pattern (5" spacing), but in the small bolt pattern (4.75") they're pretty common.
 
Oh, as for what cars they went on, I almost forgot but at some point the Firebird/Trans Am went to 15" wheels, so I guess they could've come off one of those. I wonder if the Ventura/Nova ever went to a 15" rim, or if it stayed 14" through to the end?
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FYI For Andre by hpmctorque
Jul 31, 2009 (4:14 pm)
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Andre, the latest issue of "Collectible Automobile" has an article entitled "Pontiac's 1973-'77 'Colonnade' LeMans."
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Re: me, too [ghulet] by berri
Jul 31, 2009 (5:45 pm)
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Replying to: ghulet (Nov 26, 2002 5:59 pm)

I agree, the Bonnies, Catalina's and the smaller LeMans all looked great in 65/66. Personally, I think it was GM's best lookers for those years except for the 66 Toronado. Bill Mitchell was at his peak in the mid sixties like Virgil Exner was over at Mopar 10 years prior.
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Re: FYI For Andre [hpmctorque] by andre1969
Aug 02, 2009 (6:54 am)
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Replying to: hpmctorque (Jul 31, 2009 4:14 pm)

Andre, the latest issue of "Collectible Automobile" has an article entitled "Pontiac's 1973-'77 'Colonnade' LeMans."
 
Yeah, funny story about that. About two weeks ago, when we had a hot spell, I made the mistake of driving my '76 LeMans to work. I had to work late that day, and didn't get out until after 6. Well, it had gotten up to around 96 degrees that day. The LeMans started, but a bit reluctantly. I had to make a run to the liquor store, and a little voice in my head told me to take the LeMans home first, and then drive something else to the liquor store. I have to pass by the house on my way to the liquor store, so it wouldn't have been out of the way.
 
Well, I didn't listen to that little voice, but should have! Made it to the liquor store okay, but once I got the car loaded up, it wouldn't start back up! So I had a friend come get me and the precious cargo and take me home. Once I got home, I went through the mail, saw the Collectible Automobile. I thought it was a bit ironic to be reading an article about the '73-77 LeMans, after just having been stranded by one!
 
Luckily, it did start back up two hours later, when we went back out there. So I'm guessing it was a heat-soak problem with the starter, possibly combined with the battery getting hot. That car does get pretty hot under the hood, although it's never actually overheated, or even gotten to the point that it triggers the temperature warning light.
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Re: me, too [berri] by andre1969
Aug 02, 2009 (7:20 am)
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Replying to: berri (Jul 31, 2009 5:45 pm)

Personally, I think it was GM's best lookers for those years except for the 66 Toronado.
 
I just saw a '66 Toronado for sale yesterday, at a car show in Macungie PA. It was white, looked rust free, had a pretty nice burgundy interior. Power windows and seat. A/C "needed a recharge", The paint needed a bit of touch-up here and there, but overall the car was presentable. Seller was asking $7200, but then said he'd take $6K. It also looked pretty good under the hood, with everything being fairly tidy for a 40+ year old car.
 
I gotta admit, I was bit tempted. These would have a 425 V-8, right? I've always admired the first-gen Toronado, at least up through 1970...I didn't like that final year with the exposed headlights that were inset a bit too far.
 
Oh, on the subject of Pontiacs, I drove my '67 Catalina to that show, probably around 400 miles round trip. No real issues to report, although Saturday morning, sitting in traffic for about 5 minutes, and after already having been run for about 90 miles, the temperature light came on. Oh, and this morning coming home it rained, and I had a little water come in around the top of the windshield. MPG on the first fill-up was only about 12.8 mpg, but about 1/3 of that tank had been me driving the car locally, to work, etc, with the other 2/3 being the trip up to Harrisburg. Next fillup, which was running from the H-burg area out to Macungie and back, came out to about 14.2 mpg. That was mostly highway, although we did spend some time in local car show traffic, idling around on the show field, etc. Final leg of the trip, filling up near H-burg, hopping on the highway, and then punching it a bit once the rain cleared and the road dried up, and then filling up just before gettig home, I managed 15.3 mpg. That 15.3 actually impressed me, since I got it over 80 mph on some occasions, whereas on the 14.2 mpg leg, I was driving pretty gently.
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Re: me, too [andre1969] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Aug 02, 2009 (7:26 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Aug 02, 2009 7:20 am)

Once you get the mass of a 60s car going, mileage tends to improve a lot. It's the stop and go of moving 2 tons, along with the inefficient carburetor systems and 2 or 3 speed transmissions, that kill you. That's also true of modern cars, except that they are lighter (generally), shift more intelligently and precisely insert fuel into the engine.
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Re: me, too [Mr_Shiftright] by andre1969
Aug 02, 2009 (8:41 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Aug 02, 2009 7:26 am)

Once you get the mass of a 60s car going, mileage tends to improve a lot. It's the stop and go of moving 2 tons, along with the inefficient carburetor systems and 2 or 3 speed transmissions, that kill you.
 
Kinda reminds me of an old movie called "The Big Bus" about, well, a big bus! It was a disaster spoof that came out about 4 years before such things were made fashionable by "Airplane", about the world's first non-stop nuclear powered bus trip from New York to Denver. Well at one point, the driver is testing the aerodynamics of this giant bus, by flooring it out on the highway. The bus starts shuddering and shaking, and shockwave it makes knocks over vegetable stands, blows fat ladies dresses up in the air, and shatters the windows in VW Bugs, etc. At the climax the driver is shouting "88, 89, 90! No wind resistance!! We're breaking wind at 90!"
 
And similarly, my Catalina does seem happier at higher speeds. I've noticed that it has a particular aversion to speeds of around 55 mph...it just seems sluggish and held back, and an awful resonance comes from the exhaust that's headache-inducing. But get up to around 70-75 mph, and it gets quieter. It almost seems to hunker down a bit more, and hold the road better, giving the illusion of better handling, if not necessarily the reality. And at 70-75 if I step on it, it seems to take off faster than it does at say, 55-60.

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