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#13886 of 15564 Need Help Deciding Between 3 Pilots
Jan 13, 2010 (8:41 am)
I need some help from the Honda experts here. Need to decide between three Pilots:
1 - 2005 Pilot EXL 4WD, 40,000 miles, leather, heated seats, running boards, pretty much loaded. Honda Certified. Asking price $22k.
2 - 2007 Pilot EXL 4WD, 61,000 miles, leather, heated seats, pretty much loaded except for running boards. Honda Certified. Asking price $24k.
3 - 2007 Pilot LX 4WD, 42,000 miles, cloth, rear air, alloy wheels. Not honda certified (not a Honda dealer). Asking price $20k.
They're all pretty clean as far as scratches and such. The last one has a scratch and couple of stains that detailing might fix. Checked carfax & autocheck and they all have clean titles.
So there it is, I would really appreciate any feedback/suggestions/opinions.
#13887 of 15564 Re: 2010 Pilot Touring with Nav and RES [denver5357]
Jan 13, 2010 (9:58 am)
To close the loop on my buying experience...I found the color/option combo that my wife wanted in stock at Markley Motors Ft. Collins, CO and called J their internet sales dept for a quote. Their first response came in right where I wanted so I pulled the trigger over the phone at $36,056 all-in except tax ($350 over invoice, $500 under TMV) with 1.9% financing for 3 years; no haggling.
They even delivered the car to my driveway and did the paperwork in my kitchen.
Maybe I could have saved a few bucks by haggling but this whole process took minutes instead of hours (or days) so I'm not going to quibble! I never even set foot in a dealership! (We test-drove a friend's Pilot then drove by a dealership to pick a color from the models out on the lot; with 2 little kids we don't have the time/patience for the dealership run-around).
Stuff they sold me after the deal:
1. "Rocky Mountain Protection Package" (clear nose mask, paint sealant, and interior treatment): I really only wanted the nose mask which I could've gotten for about $275 elsewhere but I paid them $399 for this whole package (instead of their offer of $549) for the ease/convenience.
2. 7-yr/80K extended warranty: I'm comfortable with Honda's mechanicals, but all the electronics in this car could be real trouble (i.e. Nav, Parking sensors, BlueTooth, Tailgate, etc.) so this seemed like a good bet to me. They offered it at $1,685 so I said "No, thanks. Not at that price." twice until they got down to $1,090 where I pulled the trigger. At minimum, its worth $150-$200 for 4 extra years of roadside assistance (instead of AAA) so downside seems pretty limited. If this car has no issues in years 4-7 and I "wasted" about $900 on the EW then I won't complain; I'll just be happy to have had no issues.
Was this the best deal in this thread? probably not.
Was it a fair deal for all parties? I think so.
Car dealers have a (justified) bad rap but the internet is helping us consumers take back some power. Let's not abuse our power (the way dealers did/do). Let's let them make a fair living while treating us well and maybe, just maybe WE can help transform this industry for our kids!
Rickenbaugh Volvo (and other car dealers), are you listening? The last car I got for my wife was from you; a Volvo XC70. It was a good deal and a good car but it was a typically awful car-buying experience so you've lost my business forever to guys like Markley.
(By the way, in case you're curious, I drive a BMW. I maintain my cars well and keep them for a long time so I don't have much to share about BMW-buying experiences. All I'll say is that sometimes a $35K car costs LESS than a $30K car when you evaluate it in terms of "cost of ownership" (i.e. maintenance, depreciation, etc.) instead of purchase price. I bought my previous BMW for $35K and then got $15K for it 9 years later after putting no money into it except for oil changes.)
#13888 of 15564 Re: Need Help Deciding Between 3 Pilots [kumba07]
Jan 13, 2010 (4:20 pm)
They are all way overpriced. The #3 option might be ok at $17,000. #1 is way too old to pay $22k should be around $15k. #2 should be around $20k.
What kind of financing are you getting? '10 Pilots have 2.9% for 5 years. A new '10 LX 4WD is $27k and '10 EX 4WD is $30k.
My experience is that the certified Hondas are overpriced. I always buy new since we keep our cars for around 5 years with 18k miles/year. When I bought used in the past, the car had 40k so after 5 years it was well over 100k and worthless.
Do the math. Make sure you are prepared, don't make your decision solely on the first cost (purchase price). The overall life cost is what you need to evaluate. MPG, insurance, depreciation, etc.
#13889 of 15564 Re: 2010 Pilot Touring with Nav and RES [denver80230]
Jan 13, 2010 (5:54 pm)
u got 2010 pilot touring AWD with nav and res with $36,056.... man that's the best deal i've ever heard?
correct me if Iam wrong!
#13890 of 15564 Re: 2010 Pilot Touring with Nav and RES [shivarajan]
Jan 14, 2010 (7:37 am)
I'm curious as well. I worked with dealers across the state through the end of 2009 and found the best deal for 2010 AWD/RES/NAV to be $37,516. Which is invoice, according to several sites. This deal is $1,700 below that. Given the scarcity of this model/style, that seems like an amazing deal. And Markley Motors is a GMC/Buick dealer, isn't it? Was the Honda used?
#13891 of 15564 Re: 2010 Pilot Touring with Nav and RES [denver5357]
Jan 14, 2010 (8:28 am)
Sorry, I mentioned my specs on a previous post but should've repeated them here since the title is misleading.
This is a New 2010 Honda Pilot 4WD Touring with Nav; BUT NO RES.
I paid $36,056 all-in except tax.
Markley sells Hondas as well as the domestics you mentioned.
#13892 of 15564 Re: 2010 Pilot Touring with Nav and RES [denver80230]
Jan 16, 2010 (5:35 am)
Invoice after Dest Fee is around $35,700 on the Tourning w NAVI. It looks like a good deal on the purchase price. They probably had around $1,000 behind the "invoice price" between holdback, reserve, etc.
I would have stayed away from the extended warranty and protection package. That's where they made their money. In my opinion, the protection packages are somewhat of a scam, and I can't imagine buying an extended warranty for a new Honda. Most buy Hondas for their outstanding workmanship, quality, and durability in the first place. I might be inclined to buy an extended warranty for an American vehicle - but then again, I wouldn't buy American.
I'm off to finalize a '10 touring with Navi and RES this weekend. I'll be looking for a price around $36,500. Will probably take the best offer under $37K. I already have an offer at $37,152 (inv + dest fee) - but they knew I wasn't buying that day and I hadn't yet pushed them. The real fun will be to then negotiate the trade-in on my Odyssey. BTW, I'm in MA, Southern NH.
#13893 of 15564 LOOKING FOR 2009/2010 HONDA PILOT EXL PLUS
Jan 16, 2010 (5:20 pm)
HAVE A 2006 HONDA PILOT EXL AWD WITH REMOTE START. PURCHASED AT A TIME WHEN THEN DEALERS WERE TRYING TO UNLOAD THEM AS THERE WAS AN OVER-PRODUCTION. I GOT MINE BRAND NEW FOR HIGH $27K. I LOVE THE NEW DESIGN AND AM LOOKING TO SELL MINE AND WORK ON A GOOD DEAL FOR A 2010. BUT RUMOR HAS IT THAT HONDA HAS SLOWED PRODUCTION OF THE PILOTS CONSIDERABLY - SO NOT TOO MANY DEALS ARE OUT THERE. I'M HOLDING OUT FOR INCENTIVES (IF ANY ARE TO COME). SOMETIMES I WONDER IF THE TRUE MARKET VALUE PRICE THAT EDMUNDS PROVIDES IS AUTHENTIC. I THINK THERE'S MUCH MORE WIGGLE ROOM FROM THE FINAL TMV. I REALLY DON'T THINK FOLKS SHOULD RELY ON THAT TOO MUCH. WE ALSO JUST PURCHASED A 2010 NISSAN FRONTIER CREW CAB 4X4 SE WITH VALUE PACKAGE AND STEP UP BARS FOR 23,960. WHICH I THINK IS A FABULOUS PRICE - BUT WE HELD STRONG WITH OUR START PRICE AND WERE PATIENT. HOPEFULLY WE CAN DO THE SAME WITH THE PILOT.
#13894 of 15564 2010 Polit EX-L 2WD paid price
Jan 16, 2010 (6:00 pm)
Paid for $32000 + 400 documentation fee + tax + title for 2010 Pilot EX-L 2WD.
Am I screwed?
#13895 of 15564 Re: 2010 Pilot Touring with Nav and RES [eagle40b]
Jan 17, 2010 (4:35 am)
Give a call to Weymouth Honda, they are offering out of the gate pricing for the EXL (everything but navi) for under $34K, I gotta beleive there is still room for negotiation there. Bet you could beet that $37K