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Re: Touring models [zojirushi] by mbinmi
May 18, 2009 (3:01 pm)
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Replying to: zojirushi (May 18, 2009 12:05 pm)

I could be wrong.
 
My opinion on a good price for a Touring is invoice, including destination, minus $1,500 (the current incentive to dealer) minus 2% of MSRP (to cover the holdback). The dealer will then add title, sales tax and documentation fee to the deal. The title and tax aren't up for discussion. The documentation fee in Michigan is the maximum fee allowed by law the dealer can charge for paperwork. This is and should be negotiated. In Michigan they are limited to $180 as the max doc fee. Find out from the dealer what their legal max is and negotiate that down. They will make money on the doc fee as well as their monthly sales incentives as well as other rebates. I believe this is fair and the dealer will make a good profit from this.
 
As an example, the dealer told me their cost for the cargo mat was $101 and as a favor they would pass that price on to me. I see a Honda branded mat, so the same mat, offered to anyone on the web at $67. Now they may very well be charged $101 but they also will then get a rebate of their sales, I'm thinking that's 50% or so.
 
It is so hard to determine what their exact cost is. I believe the above prices are fair.
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Re: Touring models [mbinmi] by cb35
May 18, 2009 (3:45 pm)
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Replying to: mbinmi (May 18, 2009 3:01 pm)

Everywhere I've read say the dealers will not give up the holdback under any circumstances.
 
Not all states regulate the documentation fee - I would cut that out and let them have the holdback.
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Re: Is this a good deal, or should we keep looking to get a better deal? [k by carsalesman2
May 18, 2009 (4:38 pm)
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Replying to: kellysim (May 17, 2009 7:42 am)

Maybe someday you'll get your wish and you too will pay the price thats on the sticker. Otherwise, at this time, a dealer can't survive on the $100 profit on a $30k car that you want to let them make (if that).
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Re: Touring models [cb35] by mbinmi
May 18, 2009 (5:15 pm)
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Replying to: cb35 (May 18, 2009 3:45 pm)

Today is the one week anniversary of buying my 2009 Pilot Touring with NAV and RES. The MSRP was 40,765 on Edmunds, the invoice 36,976. From the invoice I subtracted 1,500 (incentive) then 815 (holdback) and set 34,660.70 as my target price.
 
I then contacted the internet manager and asked for pricing. I did tell him I was checking with several dealers. His offer to me was 34,602 plus 180 doc fee plus TTL. I did visit the dealer, drove the car and let him know I was serious and ready to buy.
 
From there I was able to get the remote starter installed at no charge and the cargo mat thrown in. The remote starter was installed by a local installer and listed for $199.
 
I was very happy with the price I received. After coming to these terms I drove my trade-in vehicle for appraisal. This is where they made their money, or at least thought they were. The car was a 2001 Hyundai that was a disaster. There was no way I was going to sell this to a local and let them try to drive it home. With every bump it pulled all over the road. They looked at the car but did not drive it. The offer was $200, which I accepted. Within 30 minutes I was out the door and driving home. I did have to get the starter installed today which was a 5 hour wait. All in all I am very happy with my experience at Brighton Honda in Michigan.
 
I do think you can get a Touring AWD NAV RES at invoice minus 1,500 minus 2% of msrp. I also had an offer that was $30 less from another local dealer at the last minute. Two other dealers were $1,000 over this price, almost to the penny.
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Re: Honda Pilot EX-L with RES [bob1007] by bigdadi118
May 18, 2009 (5:21 pm)
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Replying to: bob1007 (May 17, 2009 10:10 am)

Price 09 EXL w/Res should be $30,800 (incl dest chg) + doc fee + TT&L... you can always add the running board of your choice (3 kinds) after the deal.
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What to offer? by erikanc
May 18, 2009 (5:22 pm)
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Replying to: cb35 (May 18, 2009 3:45 pm)

I don't think cutting out the doc fee is negotiable. Got a quote for 33,376 for a touring 2wd w/res, but they didn't have any! Said they'd have to get from another dealership and may be charged for wheel locks or any additional equipment??
 
If we were to get one for this price, OTD price would be 34,850. (~1000 tax, 400 doc, 74 reg) Should we offer lower?
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Re: Is this a good deal, or should we keep looking to get a better deal? [k [carsalesman2] by kellysim
May 18, 2009 (5:37 pm)
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Replying to: carsalesman2 (May 18, 2009 4:38 pm)

You are silly. People get invoice-$1500-2% every day on '09 Pilots. The dealer is still making money on their monthly incentive. You are continuing to push inaccurate information. This is not a good business, but it is typical. The point that's being made here is that the existing business model for car sales doesn't work. An auction model, like ebay, is probably better. That's probably the future of car sales. Today's car salesmen are not making a living, and it's just going to get worse. The problem that the manufacturers have is in migrating to another model given their existing dealership agreements. Obviously someone also has to service these vehicles. They'll work it out though.
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EXL Prices in Southeastern PA by malash
May 18, 2009 (5:45 pm)
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I'm in Southeastern PA and received 8 quotes for 4WD EXL ranging from 30,900 to 32,250. The majority are 31,100 to 31,500. The 32,250 quote came from "PA's #1 Honda Dealer 2008" and they have 25 EXL's in stock. I had to call to make certain they didn't give me a quote for EXL w/RES. She told me that it was for an EXL and they would match a price quote in writing. This dealer has 1 Sterling Gray versus 8 Billet Silver and 10 DC Pearl. She told me there is not difference in price as long as they have it in stock. I spoke to a few other dealers and they seemed to not budge on the price. I'll wait a bit longer, but I see a handful of Sterling Gray out of 100 or so EXL's and I certainly do not want to have to select between a Billet Silver w/blue and Nimbus Gray with Brown.
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Re: Touring models [mbinmi] by cb35
May 18, 2009 (8:19 pm)
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Replying to: mbinmi (May 18, 2009 5:15 pm)

that sounds like a good deal. I'm hoping I can have similar results. Did you get the OEM factory remote? how do you like it? - I understand you cannot open the door and have the car running? I'm interested in the remote start but have read mixed reviews.
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Re: Touring models [cb35] by mbinmi
May 19, 2009 (3:32 am)
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Replying to: cb35 (May 18, 2009 8:19 pm)

I did not get the Honda remote starter. After reading how it operated it just didn't make sense to me and how I do things. The dealer has a local aftermarket installer they deal with and I decided to go with their model. It is nothing special, just starts the car and runs for 15 minutes. Seems to work o.k. but I only had it installed yesterday.
 
The dealer wanted $359 for this starter and $810 for the Honda. When I went to get it installed at the aftermarket shop I saw it advertised for $199.

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