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Re: Is this a good deal, or should we keep looking to get a better deal? [kellysim] by cb35
May 16, 2009 (10:00 pm)
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Replying to: kellysim (May 16, 2009 6:02 pm)

I'm not sure the 2010s coming out is going to create a huge drop in price for the 09s - particularly for the trim packages that are in demand (touring it seems). Also, its widely known that auto manufacturers are cutting production across the board. It appears EX-L should have the biggest supply and therefore should have the most room to move on price. I'm hoping to land a touring model at a decent price - we shall see. I feel that Honda isn't going to panic and change their strategy - you won't see the customer cash deals that the Big 3 are stuck with.
 
reminder - those that are quoting invoice prices - there is a $1500 factory to dealer incentive going on through june 30th so subtract that from the invoice. Do your quotes include the $670 destination charge? I certainly wouldn't pay anything above invoice less $1500 + destination. I have a feeling dealers will be happy to sell the car and keep the holdback 2% + whatever monthly incentives they receive. I don't think in this market dealers can support these inflated documentation fees - know the DMV fees before you go you negotiate the price.
 
Also agree to keep the trade in seperate - used car values are difficult to pinpoint - check kbb.com, ebay.com, other classified ads for your car and try to guage the market rate - you won't get that but something near that is fair for both.
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Re: Is this a good deal, or should we keep looking to get a better deal? [cb35] by kellysim
May 17, 2009 (1:53 am)
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Replying to: cb35 (May 16, 2009 10:00 pm)

Actually the only trade-in information worth anything is from Galves. kbb and edmunds are worthless.
 
The '09 EXLs will drop some more. When you say Honda won't provide any more dealer incentive, how exactly do you think these '09 EXLs are going to move out the door? By magic? The $1500 incentive isn't getting them anywhere on the EXLs. There is huge inventory on those.
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Re: Is this a good deal, or should we keep looking to get a better deal? [k by carsalesman2
May 17, 2009 (3:10 am)
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Replying to: kellysim (May 16, 2009 6:02 pm)

Just curious, have you ever lied when negotiating? The answer is yes. I find it funny that a $1200 difference makes the other persons price absolutely TERRIBLE. I understand your problem. You want cars to be one price for everyone. That way, the person who doesnt have time to do all the lying/research you do to get your price (which still makes the dealer plenty), will pay the same as you. Sounds great.
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Re: Is this a good deal, or should we keep looking to get a better deal? [k by carsalesman2
May 17, 2009 (3:17 am)
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Replying to: kellysim (May 17, 2009 1:53 am)

You're funny. That is terrible advice. KBB and Edmunds are excellent sources for the consumer to research their trade in values.
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Re: Is this a good deal, or should we keep looking to get a better deal? [k by carsalesman2
May 17, 2009 (3:25 am)
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Replying to: kellysim (May 16, 2009 6:02 pm)

Example question:
30,000 msrp
27,000 invoice
1,500 incentive
600 holdback
 
What price in this example is a good deal?
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Re: Is this a good deal, or should we keep looking to get a better deal? [newyearnewcar] by bigdadi118
May 17, 2009 (5:23 am)
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Replying to: newyearnewcar (May 16, 2009 1:41 pm)

A year ago I traded in 07 Odyssey LX to get a 08 Pilot VP AWD. They are both the base trims so I can't tell you anything re loaded one.
  
The Ody is lower and longer. That makes the minivan more convenient (load/unload everything) and more space for passenger / cargo.
  
They both have 3.5L engine and the MPG isn't a big difference. I got the 4x4 Pilot so the AWD system will have 1 MPG less than the FWD. However the AWD is great for New England harsh winter.
  
The steering in the Pilot feels heavier (that make the driver feels this is heavier car) in low speed than the Odyssey, but quieter than the Ody in driving, softer over bumps/holes, better handling due Pilot is about 1 foot shorter than Ody.
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Re: Is this a good deal, or should we keep looking to get a better deal? [k [carsalesman2] by kellysim
May 17, 2009 (7:42 am)
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Replying to: carsalesman2 (May 17, 2009 3:10 am)

No, I don't lie when negotiating. Why would I?
 
I maintain that it is outrageous that car salesmen target single women and minorities for inflating their pricing. What is your justification for charging a single, woman with kids $2000 more than a well-heeled businessman? The funny thing is, you actually believe that this is the right way to do business. It's not.
 
Essentially car salesmen are the lowest form of salesperson on earth. Today, no self-respecting salesperson would ever get involved in selling cars. Besides the fact that there is no money in the business, only the lowest of low integrity people (i.e. they have no integrity) get into this business.
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Re: Is this a good deal, or should we keep looking to get a better deal? [kellysim] by circlew
May 17, 2009 (8:14 am)
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Replying to: kellysim (May 17, 2009 7:42 am)

Salesmen aside, it's the Business Managers that are the target for your disdain. The salespeople are the first line...always low ball them until the real decision makers appear.
 
Then the fun begins! Had fun negotiating my '08 CR-V EX last November. I'm starting to like it since it will be a buyers market for a long time to come. Change the way you look at it and it is really fun particularly when you walk away and you get reams of e-mails with counter offers! Did this with the 5 H dealers in my area.
 
Regards,
OW
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Honda Pilot EX-L with RES by bob1007
May 17, 2009 (10:10 am)
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I am looking in the Annapolis Maryland area for a 09 pilot ex-l with Res and black side steps and trying to understand what is a good out the door price. HELP Please.

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