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Re: Dumb Question about Balloon Payments [golic] by ronnyc
Feb 22, 2009 (1:33 pm)
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Replying to: golic (Feb 22, 2009 1:24 pm)

This sounds like a lot of difficulty and coordination. I'll definitely look into it, however. Thanks.
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Re: Dumb Question about Balloon Payments [golic] by ronnyc
Feb 22, 2009 (1:39 pm)
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Replying to: golic (Feb 22, 2009 1:12 pm)

On CarMax there was one car similar to mine within 500 miles but had over 2x the mileage; it was going for just under $15000. It's an interesting idea (and the poster who supplied a link to selling your car even if you don't have clear title also helped.) This still feels like one of those hedge funds that got the country into so much trouble.
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return by donix
Feb 22, 2009 (3:09 pm)
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Has anybody knows exactly if what would happen if you return the vehicle after 3 months of the purchase?
 
My friend told me that if I return the vehicle, the bank or the financial corporation will going to mess my credit. Is that true? and what else could be happen?
 
Car man thanks for the information of the lease quistion. I appreciate it.
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Re: Dumb Question about Balloon Payments [ronnyc] by jhinsc
Feb 22, 2009 (6:50 pm)
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Replying to: ronnyc (Feb 22, 2009 9:34 am)

Ron, you're not going to LOSE the car. Did you do purchase under the Honda Leadership Purchase Plan? What you have is a decision to make at the end of the term; 1) keep it and pay off the balloon or; 2) turn it in just like you would a lease. You are not responsible for the difference between the balloon payment and the current value, but rather for any damages specifically stated in the agreement, and over-the-limit mileage, something you probably don't need to be worried about. The question is - do you want to keep it? If you do, then Honda Finance might be willing to negotiate with you. If they don't seem willing, then you could offer to turn it in, then repurchase at a lower price - state that and then they may negotiate. If you don't want to keep it, then turn it in like you would a lease and move on to another new or used car.
 
One more note - your email to Honda doesn't make sense. You do realize that if you didn't have a balloon payment at the end of the term, your monthly payment would have been much higher? Bottom line, if you don't understand the purchase/lease arrangement, then don't do it and stick with traditional financing.
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Re: return [donix] by jhinsc
Feb 22, 2009 (6:55 pm)
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Replying to: donix (Feb 22, 2009 3:09 pm)

If you return the car after 3 months, it's called "Voluntary Repossession", and yes, it will negatively affect your credit. You can't just walk away from it. When (not IF, but when) the bank re-sells your car for less than your loan amount, they will come back to you for the difference, most likely through a collections agency. Even if you pay it, your credit will be negatively affected. I would avoid doing this if at all possible. If you have to get rid of the car, try to sell it yourself. Even if you can't sell it for the loan amount, you can come up with the difference and pay the loan off to transfer title to the buyer you sold it to. Don't try to sell it for less than loan amount and give the car to the new buyer, then try to settle with the bank with less than the payoff amount. The lender/bank won't transfer title unless they are paid in full.
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Re: Dumb Question about Balloon Payments [jhinsc] by ronnyc
Feb 22, 2009 (7:38 pm)
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Replying to: jhinsc (Feb 22, 2009 6:50 pm)

Honda has not spelled out all the conditions. They did say I can continue to finance the car myself at $450/month vs the $303 I pay now.
 
When I was at Honda four years ago, after waiting six hours without food and my own car now taken away (as they said), I did, at about 10PM, have a discussion with the finance officer. He said at the end of the period (and he never used the term lease), I could use the car to pay off the balance due and the rest of the money towards another car. This sounded OK to me, but I had doubts about the remaining value of the car. In any case, what he said was totally a lie, as there was virtually no chance the value remaining on the car would be enough to cover the balloon alone, let alone anything left over for another down payment.
 
Look, I'm the idiot here. I admit that. I was lead by greed. But I was also deeply mislead by Honda. Now, one must assume I am an adult and at the end of the day I am responsible for this decision, not Honda. That is true. But in fact, they acted immorally. If the finance officer said, as I've stated before, "Ron, at the end of the lease period your car will probably not be enough to pay off the remaining amount and you will have to pay it off. That will mean you will have nothing left for a down payment on another car. Is this what you want to do?" I would have absolutely not done it. I would have either gotten a cheaper or older car, not no car at all. Why would I have wanted this predictable outcome?
 
Honda has only sent me letters; the dealership was extremely vague when I spoke with them.
 
And I do realize the financial conditions now and obviously should have stuck with traditional financing. I paid $7000 down on the car and this is what I ended up with. You can't imagine how angry I am with myself. I've spent the whole weekend in a stupor basically.
 
The end result of this is that Honda will get a few $$ and they will have a permanently angry ex-customer.
 
As for keeping the car, yeah, I would like that obviously. But at $450 a month, probably not.
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Re: Dumb Question about Balloon Payments [jhinsc] by ronnyc
Feb 22, 2009 (7:50 pm)
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Replying to: jhinsc (Feb 22, 2009 6:50 pm)

This is what Honda's letter to me says:
 
Option 1: Purchase or refinance your Vehicle (at $450/month for 3 years max)
Option 2: Return your vehicle (i.e., get rid of it)
Option 3: Undecided. "Take advantage of the time remaining to visit your Honda or Acura dealer to test drive the new line-up of vehicles." What does this mean? I can test drive new cars any time I want; there's no time limit for that. I still have to turn in the car, subtract its value from the balloon ($15000-$12000 max value for the car), pay $3000 more and then what? Start from scratch for a car? Pony up another $10000 down for another car? Doesn't make sense to me. Any car I get will cost me about $3000 more than current price (the balloon-present car value). It will make a car nearly unaffordable. I can turn in my 18000 mile Honda for a 50000 mile Honda, if I'm lucky.
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Re: Dumb Question about Balloon Payments [jhinsc] by ronnyc
Feb 22, 2009 (8:21 pm)
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Replying to: jhinsc (Feb 22, 2009 6:50 pm)

One more thing: While I may sound very bitter (and I am) and rather beaten down, I am extremely appreciative of your comments (and others). They have been very helpful for me and for them I am grateful.
 
RON
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Re: Dumb Question about Balloon Payments [ronnyc] by kyfdx HOST
Feb 23, 2009 (7:46 am)
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Replying to: ronnyc (Feb 22, 2009 8:21 pm)

Call Honda Finance and find out exactly what your options are regarding your Pilot at the end of the term. Don't rely on your dealer or an ambiguous letter for the details.
 
Most balloon programs include an option to walk away at the end of the balloon term, with no further payments (though I'm not familiar with this particular program).
 
regards,
kyfdx
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Honda Pilot EX (2009) by joga37
Feb 23, 2009 (9:41 am)
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I just purchased a 2009 Honda Pilot EX from Love Honda,(just south of crystal river,fl)
 
sale price,$26.131

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