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Re: NEW 2005 Pilot EX-L w/Nav What should I offer? [bigdadi118] by mitch65
Oct 15, 2008 (12:32 pm)
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Replying to: bigdadi118 (Oct 15, 2008 9:37 am)

I went back to ebay and looked at the vehicle again. The VIN # listed matches the one on the dealers website, so I'm confident this vehicle exists. However, I checked the vehicle history report on eBay and saw that there was at least 8,000 mile on the car! And it had already been registered.
Can they still call this new? Anyway, it looks like no deal for me.
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Re: NEW 2005 Pilot EX-L w/Nav What should I offer? [mitch65] by scottgbwi
Oct 15, 2008 (12:47 pm)
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Replying to: mitch65 (Oct 15, 2008 12:32 pm)

I think if it's a "DEMO" car they can list it as new.
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Re: NEW 2005 Pilot EX-L w/Nav What should I offer? [scottgbwi] by bigdadi118
Oct 15, 2008 (4:05 pm)
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Replying to: scottgbwi (Oct 15, 2008 12:47 pm)

"Demo" is NOT registered. Once it's registered, it is SOLD & USED, IMHO.
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Re: NEW 2005 Pilot EX-L w/Nav What should I offer? [scottgbwi] by mitch65
Oct 16, 2008 (6:20 pm)
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Replying to: scottgbwi (Oct 15, 2008 12:47 pm)

Here is their response to my email. Do intelligent people work there?
 
Hi
 
I believe that this particular Pilot had about 52k miles. We only provide VIN's to vehicles when it is purchased. We have a wharehouse in Brooklyn and found alot of brand new vehicles. Yes, it is a brand new vehicle. We have had alot of calls on this particular Pilot, when can you make it into our showroom and go over your options?
 
Kimberly
Internet Specialist
718-xxx-xxxx
 
Can you tell me the miles on the NEW 2005 Pilot.
Can you also tell me the VIN# ?
And why do you still have a 2005 model. Is it really new?
Is there anything unusual about it?
Thanks.
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Re: NEW 2005 Pilot EX-L w/Nav What should I offer? [mitch65] by fred25
Oct 16, 2008 (7:22 pm)
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Replying to: mitch65 (Oct 15, 2008 8:00 am)

Mitch 65
 
You can check out the VIN by doing a car fax -
 
Second when you and I speak of new vehicle it should have less that 25 miles.
 
when the dealer speaks of NEW they are saying its new to THEIR inventory and it may have hundreds of miles on it. So be careful.
 
Third the reason I do not like to throw out numbers first is that the dealer has a price he wants to move the vehicle - since this is a 2005, IMO you should start with 23 - 25 K. you may also want to see what other 2005's are selling for at other dealers . I suggest you go to:
 DealersOverstock.com, Autotrader.com. edmunds.com, carsdirect.com .
 
Hope this helps you -
 
FRED
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Re: NEW 2005 Pilot EX-L w/Nav What should I offer? [mitch65] by fishhoppa
Oct 16, 2008 (10:11 pm)
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Replying to: mitch65 (Oct 16, 2008 6:20 pm)

The KBB suggested retail for an excellent condition Pilot was something like ~$24k, just like earlier posts. The reality is, who still pays full suggested retail? the dealer can certainly ask for it. The trade in value is only worth ~$14k and that's in the good to excellent range - how many dealers are even willing to offer that for the trade? especially in this market.
 
IMO go with a much lower offer and definitely research what the going rates are for a used one --- because anyway you look at it, it will instantly become a 4 year old used vehicle as soon as you drive it off the lot. Also the part of the dealer not willing to provide a VIN until you buy just does not sound right.
 
Lotsa of luck to you!
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Re: Re-emerging Incentives [poodog13] by zorkon
Oct 17, 2008 (6:16 am)
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Replying to: poodog13 (Oct 14, 2008 10:43 am)

I am waiting it out because Honda is simply asking too much for the Pilot. As far as I am concerned, they can keep reducing their production levels until there is only 1 Pilot on each dealer's lot. I'd like to buy new, but the 2009 are already aging and are priced so far above the used market its an insane premium. To drive out the lot and be $10,000 under water just does not make sense. Doing a quick search, CarMax is selling 2006 Pilot EX (21k miles) for $19,000 and you know ones can be found cheaper.
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Re: NEW 2005 Pilot EX-L w/Nav What should I offer? [fred25] by mitch65
Oct 17, 2008 (9:10 am)
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Replying to: fred25 (Oct 16, 2008 7:22 pm)

"when the dealer speaks of NEW they are saying its new to THEIR inventory and it may have hundreds of miles on it."
 
I highly doubt that a dealer can say "new" and it not be truly "new" as a consumer would understand it. I'm sure the state AG would have something to say about that. And it's not as if a salesperson told me it was new as in a conversation. It's on eBay as new and on their website inventory where you can search "used" and "new". It boggles my mind how the salesgirl could in the same paragraph tell me it has over 50k miles on it and still call it "new".
 
Anyway, Paragon Honda in Queens has blown my trust in them and I'm not going to pursue it with them any longer. They really know how to insult your intelligence. Ironic considering most car buyers are smarter than the salespeople!
Now how do I get them to stop calling me at home!!
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Re: NEW 2005 Pilot EX-L w/Nav What should I offer? [mitch65] by bigdadi118
Oct 17, 2008 (9:27 am)
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Replying to: mitch65 (Oct 16, 2008 6:20 pm)

" .... I believe that this particular Pilot had about 52k miles...."
 
100% NOT NEW, not even the smell.
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Geeeezzzz by kyfdx HOST
Oct 17, 2008 (10:41 am)
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Are we still talking about a 2005 Pilot?
 
Let's move on.....

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