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#11040 of 15564 The 2009 Pilot
Apr 15, 2008 (12:15 pm)
in all is glory, or ugliness, depending on your tastes.
Here at the Honda web site
I don't see or read about enough improvements that would make ME want to wait for it to arrive and pay MSRP (or close) when I would have the "old" Pilot for $2,500-$3,500 under invoice with cheap financing optional.
3" longer, larger interior volume, a bit more power and torque, VCM now on 4WD Pilots as well as 2WD, about the same MPGs, etc. Old design = bugs worked out long ago = more reliability long term. New design = all new bugs and you get to help with the "research" . Still, if it floats your boat it should be available at a dealership near you next month. Honda has targeting selling more "09" Pilots than they sold in 2007 (which was a down year). The only way that happens is due to the long selling year (May of 08 to Aug/Sept of 09) or if down the road they drop some serious deals on these.
#11041 of 15564 Re: The 2009 Pilot [dwynne]
Apr 15, 2008 (3:12 pm)
Its an improvement over pervious models but like you... not enough for me to go running to the dealership. The "little" things that they have done in the 09's should and could have been done years ago. The VCM for all drives, the speed sensitive volume, ipod/mp3 connectivity, but most of all... electrical pins for towing. I hope that they are 7 pin connectors. As for styling is reminds me of love child between a jeep and a nissan. I am hoping that they maintain the UTILITY portion intact and not go overboard with the CUV craze. Leave that to the CRV, MDX and RDX. My 07 does me well and has handled lots of rough roads and none too gentle usage. Exactly what I needed. Now an image that is truly funny... a Ridgeline with an aftermarket Peer Canopy.. whats the point there!!!
#11042 of 15564 Re: $3500 plus 2.9%APR [abapnj]
Apr 15, 2008 (4:53 pm)
Sorry to tell you but I'm not from Sussman Honda. I'm just trying to help people out to get a great deal that I got there. Go talk to Mark Rio and Jim Jackson there. Those were the only people that I talked to and got the deal. I wouldn't take assumptions like that becasue you couldn't get the same deal I did. Ask anyone on the board, just because one person couldn't get a deal at one place doesn't mean another can't get a better deal. All I'm trying to say is I did get a great deal and had a great experience there. I could come back to you and say you must work for Sloane Honda. All I wanted to do was let people know what kind of deal they can get. Thanks for your two cents.
#11043 of 15564 Re: $3500 plus 2.9%APR [jon311]
Apr 15, 2008 (5:59 pm)
Each deal can be different at the same dealership, a lot depends on the day of the month you get your new vehicle or how slow a sales day it is, which model or color you want, etc. That said, there is no reason for any dealership to not honor prices they have given a customer or to be rude to them. If I was treated in such a manner I would gladly take my business elsewhere even if I had to pay a bit more.
Glad you got a good deal, but it sounds like your deal was the exception and others may want to not waste their time with them.
#11044 of 15564 Re: $3500 plus 2.9%APR [jon311]
Apr 16, 2008 (7:33 am)
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I do not know about others experiences at Sussman Honda. Initially in my first post about Sussman Honda I did not want to name anyone.... but now that you have thrown couple of names on the table let me openup a little bit.
Read my first post about 2 weeks ago on my experience on Marty Sussman Honda. The eractic sales person was Mark Rio and the rude Sales anager was Howard Leopold. I think there is fundamental problem when someone is rude and thrashing their own internet sales department. Never seen such hard bashing to a customer before at a car dealership. All this was about the Open Road Honda email quote I had and their internet sales department said they would beat that by $300. Since he could not beat (he could not even match) he just got wild along with his Sales Person.
#11045 of 15564 Re: $3500 plus 2.9%APR [jimmyab]
Apr 17, 2008 (8:49 am)
Sorry about the experience you had over there. I delt with Jim Jackson who was the GM and after he ran the numbers he appointed me to Mark Rio to finalize the paperwork. I really didn't deal with Mark on making the actual deal so I couldn't tell you if he was a jerk when he was dealing with you but he seemed ok to me but I guess that could be because he didn't have to do any work and basically the GM told him to give it to me for this price. I do recomment Jim Jackson though. He was right to the point and no bull involved. I personally like to go directly to the GM becasue at the end of the day they control everything at the dealership. I guess everyone has different experiences everywhere. Well I hope you enjoy your car. This is a great car.
#11046 of 15564 2008 Honda Pilot rust on the underbody
Apr 17, 2008 (2:50 pm)
Bought a brand new 2008 Pilot EX from Sierra Honda in Monrovia, CA in
late Feb 2008. A day later, replaced a defect door trim, and about 30 days
later spotted many rusty parts underside the car. Some of them appear
to be very rusty and must have started before I bought the car. Contacted
both dealer and Honda regional manager. They claimed that surface rusts
are normal, not covered by the warranty and declined to fix it. It is not
difficult for any honest person to see that rust on a 30 days-old car is
not normal, and is a factory defect.
Before you decide to buy a Honda, it might be a very good idea
to check out the underside paint carefully. Don't expect after-sale
service, which is non-existent in our case. We never expect this
poor paint quality. We also have a 1999 Camry. Even today, it
shows no underside rust at all. If I am not the only one who
is just bad luck, Honda paint quality is really in question.
#11047 of 15564 VP 2wd in So Cal
Apr 20, 2008 (7:50 pm)
Just update for all in the market looking for vp, I almost bought my vp 2wd this afternoon in So Cal, the dealer gave me 21800 plus tax, fees. They only had one white with wheel lock and mug guard and they want me to pay extra. I do not think I need them and just walked out.
#11048 of 15564 2008 Pilot EX-L
Apr 21, 2008 (7:13 am)
Is 27,750 + Title + Taxes without any financing a good price for 2008 Pilot EX-L in Dayton, OH? I see some people paid lower in other states. Does the pricing vary too much by state?
#11049 of 15564 $3k below invoice: 2008 Pilot EX through Costco Auto Program
Apr 21, 2008 (8:23 am)
$3000 below invoice.
We felt intimidated by what we perceived as the high pressure sales style of our local Honda dealer, so we looked online through CarsDirect.com, which as far as I can tell can't be beat on price. But I still prefer a more involved approach to car buying, so I filled out the form on Costco.com. They say a dealer will call you within 24 hours, but also give you the contact info of the dealer if you want to call first. We called and asked if we could come over right away, and it turned out to be the same local dealer, Sam Linder Honda in Salinas, CA.
This was a great decision. You have to buy through Costco. It's worth the $50 membership on its own. Costco's negotiated price was $500 over invoice for a Pilot (varies by car). Plus we got the $3,500 dealer incentive, giving us $3,000 below invoice. That was far less than Edmunds True Market Value pricing, and just a couple hundred more than CarsDirect.com's quoted price.
In return, we got great customer service, got to see and test drive the cars, almost no pressure (see more below), no haggling, no obligation to buy, and of course Costco standing behind us should we have problems.
The salesperson was helpful and spent a lot of time with us, but didn't pressure us. There was no haggling over the car price. We asked for quotes on some add-ons like cross bars and a tow package, which he gave us for well below MSRP.
The only small amount of pressure was him encouraging us to apply for a loan through Honda rather than 3rd party financing (which was a good decision due to a lower rate) and of course the sales pitch in the finance room for all the extras, which wasn't too bad, and which we actually bought a few things. We were able to talk him down on Gap insurance and a car alarm.
It still took a few hours to compare models, test drive, finance and buy, but compared to our last car buying experience, this was night and day. Imagine going to a car lot and saying "how much is that car?" and getting a straight answer. This is the only way to go.