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#3414 of 3439 Brake problems / issues
Dec 21, 2012 (9:28 am)
Last night my wife called to tell me that the brakes on her 2008 Pilot EX-L didn't work as she tried to stop at an intersection. She claims the brake pedal was depressed, but the brakes "barely" worked, and she rolled right through the intersection at about 15 mph (from ~30 mph going into the intersection). After that she was able to use the brakes normally. My 12 year old son was with her and said it was pretty weird. She took it right to an independent shop we use and they looked at it today. They said upon initial inspection they can't find anything wrong with it. However, the guy told me ironically another Pilot owner stopped in to the shop a few weeks ago with the exact same problem. The shop is going to call the Honda dealer and look for some TSBs, but I don't have high hopes.
My wife loves the Pilot, it "only" has 110k miles and we planned on handing this down to my daughter when she starts driving in 18 months. Now I'm a little nervous as to what's going on. My Dad and I replaced the rotors and pads with high grade parts a year ago, and even the shop says the work looks great, so he knows that's not the problem.
Does anyone know what's going on here? I'm aware of the 2005 brake issue, but that sounds different than this one. My wife is a typical suburban soccer mom and puts ~20k miles/year on the Pilot, so we need to have confidence in this vehicle in order to keep it (or buy another one). Thanks in advance.
#3415 of 3439 Re: Brake problems / issues [strokeoluck2]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Dec 21, 2012 (10:45 am)
It sounds like a problem with the power brake booster--this would give the impression of no brakes, when in fact what really happens is that the brake pedal gets very hard to depress--but the brakes are still there.
So I would check for vacuum leaks first off in the power brake booster feeder line or in the area of the vacuum tank reservoir.
#3416 of 3439 Re: Brake problems / issues [strokeoluck2]
Dec 21, 2012 (3:47 pm)
It sounds like air in the line, or a bad master cylinder or booster. This is a fixable problem, but a serious one. Don't dink around with it - any qualified mechanic at any competent repair shop can work on this. If you don't know one, I generally get great service nationwide at Firestone dealerships. Sears and Pep Boys are not so good.
#3417 of 3439 denied warranty coverage?
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Dec 26, 2012 (4:09 pm)
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#3418 of 3439 Re: Brake problems / issues [walk_the_walk2]
Dec 26, 2012 (4:27 pm)
We were going to buy another Pilot in a year anyway, thinking we'd give the '08 to our daughter to drive for another several years. But I bumped that timeline up and we purchased a new '13 Pilot Touring a few days ago. My wife loved her '08, but I sleep better knowing she's safe. We'll get our daughter a used CR-V instead of giving her the Pilot, so I'll save a few bucks on that purchase when the time comes. BTW, we love the new Pilot. Still a little too basic for my taste, but it rides and handles very well - and you can't beat the visibility of what I call the "frig on wheels."
#3419 of 3439 The dreaded B-1-4 service.
Mar 08, 2013 (9:02 am)
I just got the dreaded B-1-4 service indicator on "The Beast". The B I'm not worried about since its the routine Oil Change and such. I don't do the 1since the tires are fully covered and serviced by Goodyear. The 4 on the other hand is the biggie. I have been quoted by 2 seperate Honda Service centers as $1700 and he will need to be in between 8-10 hours total. Oh well, guess this needs to be done, but Ouch on the price for Regular service.
#3420 of 3439 Re: The dreaded B-1-4 service. [odie6l]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Mar 08, 2013 (9:37 am)
I calculated, for the #4 service, 9.1 hours labor and $275 in parts (list price) + whatever the oil change is. This includes new timing belt, new water pump, new spark plugs.
So $1700 seems a bit high to me, but not too far off. There's some padding in that quote though, even at $130/hr labor rate.
In the SF Bay Area, among the most expensive in the country, your bill would be more like $1500.
#3421 of 3439 Re: The dreaded B-1-4 service. [Mr_Shiftright]
Mar 08, 2013 (9:54 am)
this is including the oil change, air filters, and timing tensioner as well. At least the service dept is giving me a loaner for the day. They estimated between $1600 and $2000, but placing it about $1700. I'd rather it be on the lower end of the spectrum than the higher myself. It needs done cause I don't want to be stuck out in the woods if something was to happen.
#3422 of 3439 Re: The dreaded B-1-4 service. [odie6l]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Mar 08, 2013 (10:02 am)
Okay that sounds about right then. Not sure the valve adjustment is really necessary but it's probably good to check it. if the clearance is good they should knock labor off the price, since the adjustment is time consuming.
#3423 of 3439 Re: The dreaded B-1-4 service. [Mr_Shiftright]
Mar 08, 2013 (1:31 pm)
I made a "Nice" call to one of the service centers and spoke for a bit with the manager. He is going to waive the labor and everything in total will only run me $1200 since I've done so much buisness with them.