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Re: Battery current draw when Pilot shutdown ??? [rodut] by tsy
Feb 13, 2009 (8:14 am)
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Replying to: rodut (Feb 12, 2009 3:45 pm)

That's interesting- I've been wondering why my 2006 Pilot's battery dies so quickly. If I park it for 2 weeks without driving it I can't start it. And that's with a brand new battery! I wonder what is using up the battery while it's parked?
 
If stored for a long time (ha ha, 2 wks!) you should probably disconnect the battery or buy a trickle charger/battery tender.
 
Good luck!
 
tom
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The Pilot draws too much current when shutdown !!! by rodut
Feb 13, 2009 (11:32 am)
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Kipk, your table data for 12V, and my table data are close to each other.
 
Tidester, my rustproofing system draws 10mA only according with their website, which for a typical 50 Ampere-hour battery should allow a battery life of 50 / 0.01 = 5,000 hours = 208 days = ~7 months. So it's not the rustproofing system who discharges the battery. It's something in the shutdown PILOT drawing that current !
 
By the way, I leave the driver door open all the time in the garage (there are no courtesy lights at the bottom of the front doors because I removed the bulbs the day I brought the car home from dealership). Could an open door raise the current drawn from the battery ?? If not, what the hell draws so much current from the battery when anything is shutdown ?!
 
Tsy, both you, other people, and myself saw this happening, so probably all our cars are OK. By design the Pilot draws too much current when shutdown. DOES SOMEBODY KNOW WHAT DEVICE TAKES THAT CURRENT? Perhaps I could put it in garbage, like I did with the door bulbs.
 
 
 
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Re: The Pilot draws too much current when shutdown !!! [rodut] by bigdadi118
Feb 13, 2009 (2:47 pm)
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Replying to: rodut (Feb 13, 2009 11:32 am)

By the way, I leave the driver door open all the time in the garage (there are no courtesy lights at the bottom of the front doors because I removed the bulbs the day I brought the car home from dealership)
 
Is there a reason to leave the driver door open instead of close?
Other than courtesy lights there may be something else (chime maybe) consuming the battery while door is open.
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Re: The Pilot draws too much current when shutdown !!! [bigdadi118] by rodut
Feb 14, 2009 (11:16 am)
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Replying to: bigdadi118 (Feb 13, 2009 2:47 pm)

OK bigdadi, will do. I closed the doors, locked the car, charged the battery, and will monitor the battery voltage for about 10 days till my wife will need the car.
 
Initially I laughed at your idea, but now I realize that one of the many new&useless&fancy features new cars have is that they lock by themselves if you don't physically open the door sometime after you electronically unlock the doors. Which means that after you unlock the door, some stupid electronic device waits to see if you open the door or not. And if you don't open any door, it will lock back anything by itself. I wonder what current that device wastes, while the locks are unlocked.
 
So the wasted current could be related either with the door physically open (as you say), or with the unlocked locks. Or it could be related with none of them, and it's a "new feature" of the Pilot: it just wastes current at all times (even when shutdown).
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Battery Draw by justaveragejoe
Feb 19, 2009 (8:47 am)
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In the old days, I used to check for battery draw by disconnecting the battery cable and touching it back to the battery post. It makes a slight spark that you can see in dim light. Then I would remove each fuse to find the circuit that had the draw (there would be no more spark) and go from there. If you don't see any spark at all, then it is the battery itself that has a bad cell. Today we can use a multi-meter and watch the amps when you pull fuses.
 
There is absolutely nothing (normal) that draws the kind of current that would drain a battery in a couple weeks, PERIOD. There is definitely something wrong happening. Lead acid batteries have a very low self-discharge rate but should be charged once at least every couple months during service, which your car does every time you drive it.
 
My forty-year-old truck sits outside all winter for months at a time and cranks right over. The problem with it is that the fuel evaporates from the carburetor and takes some cranking to get gas again.
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Re: Battery Draw [justaveragejoe] by rodut
Feb 19, 2009 (5:39 pm)
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Replying to: justaveragejoe (Feb 19, 2009 8:47 am)

Dear justaveragejoe,
 
With all due respect, your knowledge is obsolete ! Me too I had a 1989 Volvo 240 which I left for 5 months (winter included) unused. After that I turned the key and the damn thing started. Great cars we had in those old days !
 
But these days it's different. Cars have all kinds of memories storing engine settings, software programs, radio stations, etc. They all waste current, which kills the battery in a matter of weeks instead of months.
 
And by the way, I enjoyed reading about your method of finding the circuit that had the draw without using any instrument (not even a multimeter). As a side note I would like to mention that if you do your trick (battery post sparking) while you forgot to turn OFF the radio/CD, then you will burn the microprocessor in it ! Funny isn't it ? I read this in my other car User Guide. You should never disconnect a battery while the radio/CD player is turned ON ! If you do ... you will have to sing to yourself ...
 
Cheers
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Re: Battery Draw [rodut] by steve_ HOST
Feb 19, 2009 (6:36 pm)
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Replying to: rodut (Feb 19, 2009 5:39 pm)

I would have thought that the memory settings would be maintained with some sort of static ram instead of dynamic ram. And I would have thought that the electronics would just sit there until you had the key in the ignition, with the exception of the security system. Maybe they should just put in a reset button so you can retrain the ECU stuff that way instead of having to disconnect the battery.
 
The constant drain and subsequent failure to start would be rather annoying.
 
I don't read all the discussions about all the cars around here, but it sure seems that only Pilot owners are reporting this issue in any number.
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maintenance code A16 by ondaman
Feb 22, 2009 (7:44 pm)
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Hi, I'm getting code A16 on my '07 Pilot. I checked manual, looks like I will be needing oil change, tire rotation and VTM-4 fluid. Anyone knows how much it will cost me for having this maintenance? Any estimate? My local Honda dealer (San Jose,CA) where I purchased car quoted me $150 which I think a little pricey. Thanks in advance.
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Re: maintenance code A16 [ondaman] by gmwalters
Feb 23, 2009 (3:05 am)
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Replying to: ondaman (Feb 22, 2009 7:44 pm)

Maybe a little high, but my tire rotation plus VTM-4 fluid change cost me $ 100 including state tax.
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2005 Pilot Brakes by kevman3
Mar 09, 2009 (3:36 am)
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Anybody ever change their own brake pads on a Pilot? My 05 has 40K, needs brakes. I'd like to do it myself. Seems like the pad just slides in. Any advise or videos to share?
 
Thanks..

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