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#2895 of 3439 Honda Pilot after the accident
Jul 09, 2008 (2:56 pm)
A few weeks ago a drunk driver hit my beautiful 2006 Honda Pilot. Fortunately we were not in the car and she was taken to jail. I should be getting my car back tomorrow or the next day. I've missed my navigation and heated seats. Still, we will trade it in and get something that hasn't been in an accident because that is what we do. We are struggling w/ the '09 Pilot pricing. We didn't pay 30K for our EXL-Navi so paying 40K two years later sounds painful.
Anyhow, I must say that the Pilot was hit by someone doing at least 50mph. smashed the front fender, door, bent the hood. The cabin on the other hand was in tact. I am amazed and pleased with how the car held up. Had we been in it, we would have been shaken but not injured. A testament to the quality of a Honda.
Maybe the '09 will be worth it.
#2896 of 3439 Re: Pilot problem [cecill]
Jul 11, 2008 (1:45 pm)
Had a dealer repair the Honda. It was a broken wire to the Knock Sensor. Very small, un-supported wire. Part was only $7.00 but it cost $430 to replace it. Had to take the intake manifold off. Dealer coudn't explain why the VTM-4 lite came on but it doesn't anymore.
Just ordered a Chilton Repair Manual. Fix things myself hereafter.
#2897 of 3439 Re: Pilot problem [cecill]
Jul 12, 2008 (3:33 am)
Absolutely ridiculous to charge $430 to remove and re install the intake manifold.
Recon some of that time involved the diagnostics.
Wondering if that wire just might fall into the EPA "emissions" category. Think there is a separate warranty with that.
Might be worth checking out.
#2898 of 3439 75,000 mile brake pads
Jul 28, 2008 (11:01 am)
I just wanted to share with everyone that I got 75,000 miles out of the orginal set of brake pads on our '04 Pilot. As I do some towing with our pilot I was surprised they lasted so long. I had been checking the amount of pad left frrom time to time and finally decided to change them before we left on a trip to Florida (from KY). The orginal pads still had pad left on them and could have easily lasted another 5-10,000 miles (in my opinion).
The rear pads wore at the same rate as the front pads, so I replaced front and rear at the same time. They were very easy to change. I ordered the new pads from Majestic Honda. I ordered the pads on Monday and they arrived Wednesday evening!!! I called my local Honda dealer in Lexington KY (good old Don Jacob's) and priced a set of the rear pads, they wanted $76. I told them I could order them on-line for $48 Plus $15 S&H, they said they weren't Honda Parts (WRONG!!!). Majestic showed the List price as $68 and sale price as $48. So good old Don wanted more than list price for the pads.
This is the second time I have ordered from Majestic over the net and I have been very happy with their price and time of delivery. The first time I ordered a new pass. side mirror (the wife hit a mailbox with it). I got the color I needed (Sandstone) and it got here in 3 days!! It was list priced at something like $325 and Majestic had it for $168!! (plus S&H) It arrived and I had it on in less then an hour. You can't tell that it was ever changed.
#2899 of 3439 Re: Buying new Pilot EX cloth. [johndorrf]
Jul 31, 2008 (9:53 pm)
I have owned the Pilot for about a year now 2007, so far, its been very good and has been a good choice. The only issue I have is with the dealer, They deceive you when buying the vehicle by making false statements that the warranty that you buy will take care all issues for you. I have taken it in for the maintenance chks and they start that some things are not covered. I have 22k now and the next time I have to take in is for the 30k check up. They tell me that only a little of the stuff like oil check and some environmental stuff will be covered but everything else will cost me almost $500.00. This is deceptive practices and robbery.
I can I do most of the work myself? THE DEALERS WILL NEVER CHANGE, THEY ARE FRAUDULENT PEOPLE.!!!!
#2900 of 3439 Re: Buying new Pilot EX cloth. [jcancel53]
Aug 01, 2008 (3:05 am)
>"They deceive you when buying the vehicle by making false statements that the warranty that you buy will take care all issues for you."
Are you talking about the extended warranty?
Unless you purchased something out of the ordinary, warranties fix stuff that goes wrong or is wrong with the vehicle. Such as parts that break, or are defective, or leaks, or misalignment of parts, wiring problems, parts that loosen or fall off, paint, and such.
Normal wear items, such as wiper blades, tires, brake pads, batteries are not covered except for rare circumstances. Tires and batteries have their own warranties. But even with the tires, the owner has responsibilities. If a tire wears prematurely and the pressure is wrong or the front end alignment was the cause, good luck.
Routine "Maintenance" (to maintain) is the responsibility of the owner. This includes changing of engine oil, transmission service, filters, and so forth. If the vehicle is maintained properly, the warranty stays in effect for it's intended life.
A lot of the stuff they do at 30K is simply to head off potential problems or help some wear items to last longer, such as rotating the tires and aligning the front end. . And a lot of that is simply looking at, checking, or measuring different things. Such as measuring thickness of remaining brake pads and tire tread, belt condition, covers on the CV joints. Other things are "Need to be done" items, such as changing the engine oil, servicing the trany and rear end (4WD) and, changing filters so forth. We can do those things ourselves or pay someone to do them for us to keep the warranty in effect and keep the vehicle running longer and at it's best.
If the Honda dealer takes care of the maintenance, the details are in their computer and they are a lot more likely to take care of "Warranty" problems. If you don't do them or don't have proof they were done, or non "Honda Approved" parts are used, you may have problems. FWIW: If I were doing the maintenance myself, I would use "Honda" filters and parts. There may be better stuff available, and there is definitely worse stuff available. But if "Honda" is written on the part, they have less of an argument. Especially if I purchased them from their parts counter.
I stop by the dealer for routine oil changes. Their "Express" service gets me in and out in a timely manner. They change the (semi-synthetic blend) oil and the filter, and top off the wiper fluids, coolant, and break fluids if needed. They also check and correct the tire pressure. Filters, oil and fluids are the Honda recommended stuff. They even run it through a car wash. Well worth the $35 to me. And sometimes I have a promotional coupon that reduces the cost $5.
Sure I could use Jiffy Lube or equivalent places and save a few bucks. But the NO NAME or "Fram" filter and high school kid doing the work bother me.
But that is just me, your mileage may vary!
#2901 of 3439 Re: Buying new Pilot EX cloth. [kipk]
Aug 01, 2008 (8:10 am)
Thanks Kip for your response, you have some points and I appreciate them, What I meant is for example: The finance rep, unless you are an experience and knowlegeable customer, He tells you that you dont have to worry about anything that Honda will take of everything. That is not right, if you want customers to come back you need to be honest and that customer will be loyal to you.
#2902 of 3439 Re: Buying new Pilot EX cloth. [jcancel53]
Aug 19, 2008 (1:07 pm)
If you wanted that kind of coverage, you should have bought a Mercedes not a Honda. Did you really think that all of your maintenace was covered? This is the reason I have a hard time believing everything that is written here at this forum.
#2903 of 3439 Re: Buying new Pilot EX cloth. [jcancel53]
Aug 20, 2008 (12:50 pm)
I've bought 60+ cars in my life and have come to the conclusion that everyone at a dealership will take as much money from you as they possibly can. Commissions= money in their pocket. When a new/used car is sold, the salesman makes more or less money depending on the profit they made. The new/used car manager gets a piece of the action as well as the general manager and of course the owner. That is money on the "Front End". So the more they can make, the more each earns. Period!
The finance manager makes his money by "Selling" your loan to a bank or finance company. For instance: He runs your credit and find that you are an excellent credit risk. He then gets on line or calls the finance institution they like to do business with. In this case, say Honda Finance. So he is told they will loan the money at 6%. He tells you 10%. Any difference in the two is how his commission is figured.
Example: At 6% the life of the loan might involve you paying say $3000 in finance charges. And that is what the finance company expects to make. But at a higher rate the finance charge might be $5000. Since the finance company will be receiving your payment, they give the finance man or dealer the $2000 difference. I don't know how or when they get the money to him. Lump sum? Monthly? Other? "This is called the Back End".
He also makes a commission on Extended warranties. The 7/70 extended Honda Care warranty in 03 on our new Pilot was around $1600. We ended up paying closer to $900. Finance man wasn't real happy about that.
Service writer will often times try to sell you stuff you don't really need as they get a salary + a small commission on the business they write.
Just about every one at a dealership will twist the truth a bit to make more profit.
I visit a dealership with this in mind: If their lips are moving they probably are not telling the whole truth.
Last time I "nearly" traded cars, I knew it was worth $17,500 trade. I told the salesman that was what I expected from the start. They offered $13,500 for my 03 Pilot about a year ago. My car had 27K miles, no door dings or scratches and the leather interior is perfect. I stood up, thanked him for his time, and asked for my keys. He looked shocked that I could pass up such a deal. I told him again that I wanted my keys. The keys were on the managers desk. The salesman went into the office, said something to the manager and the manager followed him back to me. After several times of his going back and forth to "THE DESK" they made the final offer of $16,500.
I gave them that deer in the head lights look and went to his desk and got my keys myself. By the time I was at the front door the General manager got involved. She got it up to $17,200. This was within $300 of what I wanted.
I said, "Show it to me on paper", which she did. I couldn't help but notice that the car I was trading for was nearly $900 more than originally quoted. She said it was because it had some stuff on it that had not been added to the invoice. She got annoyed when I asked what the stuff was. I thanked them for their time and left in my Pilot. Which I still happily own!
This was an internet sale. The price of their car was set. The only thing we had to do was figure my trade. At the time, Kelly Blue Book showed my Pilot at $17,500 trade, $19,500 Person to Person , and $21,500 dealer retail. If they had given me the $17,500 for my car and sold it for the $21,500 average they would have made $3000 and had 2 happy customers. But their greed of trying to make that additional profit off of me will keep me away from their door in the future.
If they had gotten my car for the $13,500 and sold it for the "Average" dealer retail of $21,500, they would have made $8000 profit.
BEWARE! If their lips are moving they are probably lying.
#2904 of 3439 Re: Buying new Pilot EX cloth. [kipk]
Aug 20, 2008 (1:19 pm)
~ Claude Rains