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#29299 of 30859 Re: Of all things... [uplanderguy]
Apr 25, 2013 (4:03 pm)
By 1980, your typical GM intermediate with a Buick 231 V-6 was probably good for 0-60 in around 15 seconds. For something like a '75-76 Regal or Century, my guess would be a good 22 seconds or more. CR tested a '77 Cutlass sedan with the Olds 260 V-8, and got 0-60 in something like 21.6 seconds. I'd imagine the 231 would have to be every bit as bad. Similar hp, but less torque. However, it would also be lighter than the V-8, so that might help offset the less torque part of the equation.
Oh, MT tested a 1981 Grand Prix with the Pontiac 265, and got 0-60 in 14.9 seconds. That was with 120 hp. So again, I'd think the Buick 231, with 110 hp, less torque, but less weight as well, would be similar.
I had an '82 Cutlass Supreme for about a year, 1993-94. From a stop, it was pretty gutless. But, if you were loafing along around 40-45 mph and suddenly needed to punch it, it took off quicker than you might expect. And, it was an excellent highway cruiser. Much better than my old '80 Malibu, which had a 229 V-6 and 115 hp. However, I've heard the Chevy 229 only had around 170-175 ft-lb of torque, compared to 190 for the 231-2bbl.
And, as for that early 80's RWD Regal Somerset, the main color I remember was a beige or gold, but now that you mention it, I seem to recall blue being associated with it. So maybe it had beige sides and a blue roof/hood/trunk?
My 1985 Consumer Guide has a Regal with the 231-2bbl in it. They don't list a 0-60 time, but in the text it says that 0-60 comes up in "about 13 seconds" Even though it had the same 110 hp as a 1980 Regal, I'm convinced that GM, and the auto industry in general, was finally getting their engine management and emissions controls more or less right, and that was improving the driveability of the cars. So, even if the hp/torque and gear ratio specs stayed the same, the cars simply made better use of the power. They probably had less hesitation, stalling, bucking, etc, and that helped them get up to speed better.
To use one example, I remember years ago, Fintail scanning in some old Consumer Guide tests from 1981. One of them was a Bonneville with an Olds 307 and the 4-speed automatic. 0-60 was around 14.1 seconds. Yet by 1985, CG tested a Delta 88 with the same setup, and got a more reasonable 12.0 seconds.
#29300 of 30859 Re: Back in Time [ab348]
Apr 25, 2013 (4:16 pm)
I wish I hadn't looked at that site...I find myself really digging the '81 New Yorker 5th Ave. Sure, $11,995 is ridiculous for it. But it looks really nice, with only 15,000 miles on it. And having a sunroof!
I always thought it was interesting that Chrysler started pouring money into the R-body for 1981, only to dump it half-way through the model year. Not huge improvements, but in the details. For instance, the '81 5th Ave has MUCh nicer, if pimpier, seats than the '79-80. However, all they did was swap them. Those '81 5th Ave seats were what was the leather option in the 1979-80 regular New Yorker, while what had been the 5th Ave seats for '79-80 became the leather option in the regular NY'er for '81.
But oddly, the standard cloth seats on the base '79-80 New Yorker are the same pattern as the leather in the 5th Ave.
Also for 1981, they switched the trunk from gas struts to more conventional torsion bar/gooseneck hinges. They also improved the pull handles on the door. On the two '79's I have, I try to grab the armrest itself to pull the door shut. Or the window sill if the window is down. the pull handles are that flimsy. But in '81, they beefed them up, considerably.
I wonder what a reasonable price would be for that '81? This might be the beer talking, but if I could get it for around $6-7K, I'd be seriously tempted!
I also like the fact that in '81, they gave you a few color choices for the 5th Ave. "Designer Creme" over "Designer Beige" with a creme interior gets old after awhile.
#29301 of 30859 Re: Back in Time [andre1969]
Apr 25, 2013 (7:02 pm)
One of the things I like about older Chrysler's is that even going back into the 50's they often had sort of unique dashboards and interiors. Some of those 60's early plastic knobs could get a bit discolored, but the dash and interiors were often kind of fun to look at. Over at GM they could vary from product line and year to the next. Some great, some not so much. Ford dash and interiors seemed to often be the plain Jane's though, although I'm sure that perspective is different for different individuals. Call me an old fart, but I think the old knobs and buttons are actually much more functional than all these current day electronic whizmo's and screens. Technology for the sake of technology rather than function and efficiency (and wait until you get a repair bill on a lot of these new ones!).
#29302 of 30859 Re: Back in Time [berri]
Apr 26, 2013 (2:57 am)
Repair? What's that? Mechanics don't repair things any more; they diagnose and replace.
Apr 26, 2013 (5:34 am)
Driving on K street in Georgetown, and what stood out was not its age but its condition. This was clean, and little-old-lady original. A true survivor.
Even sounded quiet.
#29304 of 30859 Re: 82-85 Accord [ateixeira]
Apr 26, 2013 (6:43 am)
Those maybe all meandered out west - I still see them now and again. Saw an SE-i model just the other day, sitting on a little BHPH lot. I bet they'd rust fiercely in your area.
#29305 of 30859 Re: 82-85 Accord [fintail]
Apr 26, 2013 (6:58 am)
Saw an SE-i model just the other day, sitting on a little BHPH lot. I bet they'd rust fiercely in your area.
They did. In fact, even to this day, even though cars in general are rustproofed much better, I'd say that you're more likely to see rust on a ~10-15 year old Honda (or any Japanese car) than most domestics. But again, seeing rust on ANYTHING around that timeframe is still pretty rare these days.
My uncle's 2003 Corolla has a little rust coming out on the passenger side, just ahead of the rear wheel opening. I think it's partly his own fault though. He parks it on the grass in front of the house, right under a big Maple tree, so it spends a lot of time in the dampness.
I saw an odd sight yesterday...a BMW 5-series that was looking pretty rusty in the lower regions (rocker panels, quarters, around the rear wheel opening) and missing the fuel filler cap. However, this was also the 1988-96 (or '89-95 in the US, I guess) generation, so it was no spring chicken, to begin with!
#29306 of 30859 Re: 82-85 Accord [andre1969]
Apr 26, 2013 (7:11 am)
That Accord probably didn't get galvanized steel, so that is a bit of a miracle.
I think the coating became common in the early 90s or so. I remember seeing 2 years old Hyundai Excels with rust in the pre-galvanized days.
#29307 of 30859 Re: 82-85 Accord [andre1969]
Apr 26, 2013 (9:19 am)
I see rust on 94-97 Accords even out here in this mild climate, along with occasional bad paint on 98-02 models. The nice looking 90-93s can really get crusty, too.
That BMW doesn't surprise me, especially as you mention, it is old. Some German cars of that era can get rusty. One of the rustiest modern cars I have seen was a 1990 W126 300SEL - bubbles and problems everywhere - all rockers and fenders and even around the sunroof. But to be fair, it was from eastern Canada. That 1976 model I looked at a few days ago had a lot less rust, none of it structural. I am lucky in that my fintail barely has any - and those cars can rust. I have just a few bubbles that I am not tempted yet to fix.
#29308 of 30859 Re: 82-85 Accord [fintail]
Apr 26, 2013 (9:34 am)
Two other recent rustouts I remember seeing that shocked me were a 1997-05 Buick Century that had some serious rot-through on the rocker panel under the doors, and a 1995-99 Maxima that had a quarter panel that was pretty rusty. I can't remember if it was rusted all the way through though, but it was still pretty bad.
When I was out in Ohio one year to do my annual amusement park trip (either 2010 or 2011, because in 2012 we went to Canada's Wonderland), I remember seeing a black Park Ave, same vintage as mine, that was so rusty that you'd think it was built with the same attention to rustproofing as a '57 Plymouth, '71 Vega, or '76 Volare!