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You are in the Classic Cars
What is this discussion about?
Dec 07, 2012 (12:47 pm)
Oh, you stretch the realm of credibility----Those are not 1952 engine blocks. Those are massively re-worked engines in drag cars. Hardly that poor little 232 cid V8. Studebaker copied freely from Cadillac but their V8 was not a Cadillac clone. Studebaker got skunked in a way because they thought their 232 would be running on high octane fuel in '52---alas, there wasn't much to be had--so the 232 struggles to develop its planned HP and torque. It was kind of a mouse of an engine. The 259 fixed a lot of things wrong with the 232.
Believe me, NOBODY was seriously racing Studebakers in the 1950s. If anything, the first thing they did with a Studebaker was get rid of the engine and put it....can you guess?...a Cadillac V8, giving us the legendary "Studillac"--- a very popular conversion.
Chevy dominated the 1950s--there was only the Hemi to give it any serious competition.
#27120 of 30869 Re: . [andre1969]
Dec 07, 2012 (12:53 pm)
You can still see the 1957 windshield in the 1966 Imperial.
#27121 of 30869 Re: . [Mr_Shiftright]
Dec 07, 2012 (2:18 pm)
The '55 Studebaker V8 developed up to 185 hp. The Chevy had 162 but I don't know if there was a Power Pack in '55 yet or not. The Chevy V8 was lighter. Like Chevy, the Stude engine evolved in displacement, from 232 to 259 to 289 to 304.5 inches. The engines in those cars in the videos are bone-stock and shown as optional in the showroom brochure. You have to come there armed with documentation and they inspect your car closely beforehand. The January 'Hemmings Muscle Car Review' has an article on this year's 'Pure Stock Muscle Car Drags' and discusses the Studes there.
I like the '55 Chevy too, just trying to remain factual on both sides of the aisle so to speak.
Dec 07, 2012 (2:37 pm)
Well gee, I'm sure nobody ever cheats at drag races---LOL! Besides, the PBW is stictly a drag strip car. You can't compare such a thing to a street car--it would be barely usable as such.
Anyway, point is if you race a stock '52 Studebaker against a '52 Olds, you'd lose, and if you raced a stock '63 Avanti R1 against a '63 Chevy 327 you'd lose and I can tell you from painful personal experience that if you race a '55 Studebaker against a '55 Chevy you'd lose--every time.
AND even if you raced a '63 Avanti R1 against a '55 Chevy you'd...probably....lose.
The Chevy V8 changed the world of street racing forever and, until the 60s Mopars, was a dominant force.
#27123 of 30869 Re: . [Mr_Shiftright]
Dec 07, 2012 (2:45 pm)
How do you explain the R2 and R3 Studes mopping up cars with 100 more inches? Oh yeah, it's only that the Stude guys cheat. And personally, the two owners that I know, are a retired, longtime school teacher and the other is a college music professor. Your regular used-car lizard types.
I don't know this guy, I've heard of him--and I don't pretend that this is typical--but after spending about 20 seconds searching, here's video of an R1 Lark two-door sedan (lightest body) beating a 440 six-pack Mopar (the comments beneath it are entertaining):
Dec 07, 2012 (3:01 pm)
I'm afraid I'm completely losing the point of your posts.
What I'm trying to present is that the small block Chevy engine of 1955 was of great historical importance and had tremendous impact in the automobile marketplace. It is one of the greatest engines of all time.
Speaking of obscure, when's the last time anyone saw one of these?
#27125 of 30869 Re: . [Mr_Shiftright]
Dec 07, 2012 (3:05 pm)
The R1 in the video is not supercharged. No R1's were.
Dec 07, 2012 (3:02 pm)
yep, yep, okay, whatever...enjoy the show!
#27128 of 30869 Re: A couple weeks ago... [andre1969]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Dec 07, 2012 (3:28 pm)
Crazy thing is, if that were a Ferrari or a Gullwing, they'd restore it.