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#25855 of 29612 Re: '67 Fury [berri] by andre1969

Jun 17, 2012 (5:28 am)

Replying to: berri (Jun 16, 2012 11:28 am)
I recall as a kid back in the 60's that Mopar had a market strategy of outsizing their engine choices versus Ford and GM. An Impala had a 283, but a Fury had a 318.
 
I wonder how many Impalas were sold with the 283, versus the 327? The 283 was a good engine for awhile, and had some cool high-output versions such as the dual quad and fuel injection. But by 1962, it just seemed like sort of a loss leader, basically a cheap way for someone to be able to brag about having a V-8.
 
The Mopar 318-2bbl had 230 hp in most years, whereas the Chevy 283-2bbl was usually good for around 195 I think. But then, Chevy's 327 started at 250 hp, which I think was a mild 4-bbl, and went up to 300 for the hot version.
 
I always thought it was a shame that Mopar didn't do more with the smallblock in later years. They did have a hot version of the 273 for a few years, and then of course, there's the legendary 340. But by and large, the 318 was just a mass-market, basic 2bbl...sturdy, reliable, fairly powerful for what it was, but not all that glamorous.
 
The first 318 actually was a performance engine...it powered the 1957 Fury, and had 290 hp, with dual quads. Lesser Plymouths used the 277 or 301 variant, which ranged from 197-235 hp. For 1958, the 277/301 were dropped, and replaced with a 318 that had 225 hp in 2-bbl form or 250 in 4-bbl.
 
From 1959-62, a 318-4bbl was offered with 260 hp, but it was dropped for 1963. I guess the thinking at Mopar was that if you wanted some power, they'd rather you went with the 361-2bbl. It had a healthy 295 hp from 1958-60, but was cut to 265 hp for 1961.
 
I guess the 361 was still a better choice in the bigger cars, as it would have more torque than a 318-4bbl.

#25856 of 29612 Re: '67 Fury [andre1969] by uplanderguy

Jun 17, 2012 (6:17 am)

Replying to: andre1969 (Jun 17, 2012 5:28 am)
Andre, my unscientific guess is that right up through '67, the last year of the 283, the 283/Powerglide comination would have been the best-selling powertrain combination in all full-size Chevys, Impala or otherwise.
 
That's sure what I saw most growing up, and even at that tender age I noticed stuff like that. You could always tell a 283 by either the car being identified on the front fender as that, or V8's with no number I.D. meant the car was a 283 (a 'vee' emblem with no number above it, that is, on the front fender).
 
Sixes usually had no outside engine identification of any kind, except for the '63 model year big Chevys.

#25857 of 29612 Re: '67 Fury [uplanderguy] by ab348

Jun 17, 2012 (6:32 am)

Replying to: uplanderguy (Jun 17, 2012 6:17 am)
My dad bought a new '67 Pontiac Parisienne 4-door hardtop, white with a red interior. The Parisienne was a Chevy under the skin, and ours had the 283/Powerglide combo. That car seemed quick to me. Certainly I don't recall him or my older brother complaining about the power.

#25858 of 29612 Re: '67 Fury [uplanderguy] by andre1969

Jun 17, 2012 (6:57 am)

Replying to: uplanderguy (Jun 17, 2012 6:17 am)
Sixes usually had no outside engine identification of any kind, except for the '63 model year big Chevys.
 
My Dad had a '63 Impala SS409 with the 425 hp setup. He got a perverse sort of pleasure ouf of putting those 6-cyl badges on his car.
 
I'd imagine that most people were savvy enough though, to tell from the rumble, that there wasn't no 6-cyl under the hood!
 
As for the 283's, I don't see them too often at car shows. Most of what I see are 327's or big blocks. But, I guess that would stand to reason. Just as hardtops and convertibles are more likely to be preserved than a 4-door sedan, I'm sure the bigger, stronger engines usually see a better survival rate as well. Either that, or the smaller engine gets yanked and a bigger one thrown in.

#25859 of 29612 Spotted... by lemko

Jun 17, 2012 (7:23 am)

...blue AMC Pacer X in front of me on Meadowbrook Lane near Rhawn, a very dark blue 1986 Buick LeSabre coupe on Strahle near Verree and a white 1977-79 Ford Thunderbird with maroon landau roof and side moldings on Rising Sun near Loney in NE Philly.

#25860 of 29612 '59 DeSoto Firedome in an odd place... by texases

Jun 17, 2012 (7:26 am)

...this morning's comics! "Shoe" had it, and a number of other oldsters, pretty well drawn.

#25861 of 29612 Re: '59 DeSoto Firedome in an odd place... [texases] by stickguy

Jun 17, 2012 (7:56 am)

Replying to: texases (Jun 17, 2012 7:26 am)
shoe owns one of them. Ernie in "piranha club" has one too.

#25862 of 29612 Re: '67 Fury [andre1969] by uplanderguy

Jun 17, 2012 (7:59 am)

Replying to: andre1969 (Jun 17, 2012 6:57 am)
That is too funny, Andre. I can remember my grandparents' new '63 Bel Air wagon, light metallic green, fawn interior, 283, Powerglide, positraction (or 'positive traction' as Grandpa called it). I can also remember their '58 Chevy Brookwood wagon before it.

#25863 of 29612 Emphasis on 50s Mopars by imidazol97

Jun 17, 2012 (8:46 am)

in this issue of Hemmings Classic Cars.
1950 Wayfarer cnvertible short passenger compartment convertible in light, light green
1956 Coronet
1952 Coronet
 
1953 Firedome DeSoto--very nice car as to styling.
 
1957 Crown Imperial
 
1950 Windsor in two-door coupe appearance
1955 C-300 in hot red two-door
 
1950 Deluxe 4-door Plymouth in light green
1957 Fury two-door hardtop in white
 
and another article is a drive report on 1956 Custom Royal Lancer
with white top, black trunk, hood, sills, and fins, and dark ruby red lower.
 
Pictures are gorgeous. I think an online subscription is $7 to read mag online.

#25864 of 29612 . by fintail

Jun 17, 2012 (3:28 pm)

Saw an absolutely mint brand new looking Porsche 914 in Macon GA not long ago, white with black lower trim, original correct hubcaps, amazing condition. Also saw a fuselage Imperial that looked like it might fall victim to the donk epidemic, a Celebrity 2-door, pretty blue and white 57 Bel Air 2 door post, a 68-69 Chevelle convertible, and a survivor condition BMW E28.

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