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Re: cars without air... [toomanyfumes] by imidazol97
Jul 09, 2009 (6:16 pm)
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Replying to: toomanyfumes (Jul 09, 2009 6:10 pm)

>Back when you could order options one at a time,
 
I ordered a Mustang. V8 but with air conditioning yet with a manual instead of automatic. Worse was no 4-speed, just a three-speed. Dealer thought it was a real poor combination. It was a fancy coupe model.
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I miss those days.... by ghulet
Jul 09, 2009 (7:00 pm)
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....I know it's far cheaper and easier to offer models with specific equipment and 'packages', but some are quite irritating (like when you must order a spoiler to get a sunroof, you can't have leather if you want a manual transmission, etc.). GM's were particularly random; my '71 Buick had power windows and seat, AM/FM, tilt but no power locks and no cruise; my '77 Chevy was the exact opposite (power locks and cruise, AM/FM 8-track, F41 suspension, air, nothing else). Kinda fun to see the combos now on eBay.
 
As for cars with no air, in general it doesn't bother me, since even in the cars I've had with factory air, it's worked intermittently or not at all. Now our only vehicle is no a/c, so it's always a luxury to ride in one that has it. Problem is, I think people get too used to it and use it when not necessary, so then it becomes mandatory.
 
Back to those W116s...I'm pretty sure the 280S was only sold here for a year or two (not after 1975); the 280SE was a whole lot better, but I've never been crazy about that body style (they haven't aged well aesthetically or physically) and their seat foam in particular tended to rot away. Now that others are so cheap (190Es, W124s and 126s), I can't see why anyone would bother.
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Re: cars without air... [imidazol97] by andys120
Jul 10, 2009 (2:53 am)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Jul 09, 2009 6:16 pm)

I got my first air-conditioned car the same year I turned 40. Working in Manhattan I had no need to use a car for work (I commuted by rail) and owned convertible sports cars until I got a Honda hatchback.
 
I remember one memorable leg of a cross country tour in our Fiat 124 Spider. It was about 100 degrees out driving across Missouri. The sun was too intense to leave the top down so we had the top up, windows down and little vent windows taped open cuz they wouldn't stay open at highway speeds.
 
 It wasn't til I started working outside sales in Boston and New England that I felt a need for air con so I got an '83 VW GTI with factory air which worked much better than the marginal system in our later Honda Prelude despite having a larger space to cool.
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Re: cars without air... [andys120] by bhill2
Jul 10, 2009 (11:58 am)
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Replying to: andys120 (Jul 10, 2009 2:53 am)

My first air-conditioned car was a '79 Scirocco with add-on air (I think VW offered factory air but the dealer didn't have any). However, the interesting one was my '81 Rabbit diesel. It had air, but you could choose a) air conditioning or b) acceleration (such as it was) but not both. Once you got it up to speed you could turn the air on without the car slowing down, at least on the flat. Hills were another story. Also, if for any reason you needed to increase your speed, like if a light turned yellow, you had to cut the A/C until you had reached your new speed. Anyway, I got really good at turning it on and off without looking.
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Ebay time by fintail
Jul 10, 2009 (5:32 pm)
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Lemko-mobile
 
Not for the shy
 
Of all the things to import
 
Yeah right
 
Interesting use of resources
 
Of all the things to preserve...or maybe these were worn out by this mileage
 
Handsome little fixer-upper
 
Different
 
Another lemko-mobile, better color
 
I bet this drives like a dream
 
Unusual restoration
 
Maybe a good thing this wasn't born
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Re: Ebay time [fintail] by toomanyfumes
Jul 10, 2009 (6:29 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Jul 10, 2009 5:32 pm)

I don't know which is the ugliest. The "Studmino", the donk Cutlass, or the 4X4 '57 Dodge. I like that the Volvo was owned by Janis Joplin's parents. That should be worth $20 or so.
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Re: Ebay time [fintail] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jul 10, 2009 (7:48 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Jul 10, 2009 5:32 pm)

Why would anyone want to restore a Volvo 164E? That is so perverse. To drive one is to never want to again. And to boot we have a fuel injection system that runs on phantom electrons and a transmission that shifts like a UPS truck and a suspension that makes Mom's sofa feel like a Ferrari.
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Re: cars without air... [andre1969] by hpmctorque
Jul 10, 2009 (9:47 pm)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Jul 09, 2009 4:21 am)

One of the main benefits of A/C is the removal of humidity. Regardless of how good the ventilation and sealing are, if the humidity is high in hot weather, the comfort level will be low. Same goes for wind and wind noise. Good ventilation doesn't substitute for the serenity of keeping the windows closed.
 
In the '60 and '70s people tended to be more tolerant, in terms of comfort, and although excellent A/C systems were available on all domestic cars, many, especially in northern climates, considered A/C a luxury. Among those who considered A/C a luxury, there was a sub group who felt it was only appropriate on luxury cars and high end medium priced ones.
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Re: cars without air... [hpmctorque] by ghulet
Jul 10, 2009 (10:38 pm)
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Replying to: hpmctorque (Jul 10, 2009 9:47 pm)

Yes, people have definitely become less tolerant of ANY discomfort....let's face it, how many of our grandparents had A/C in their cars OR their homes (my grandparents lived in Marion, IL....it was hot as hell there, I would BEG to go to my uncle's house during weeks I stayed there)? We didn't have A/C in any of our cars til the late '70s, and of course after that it was mandatory that it be utilized if over 70F, I swear.
 
Fintail, where DO you find these things? The other monstosities aside, I can't decide if the Datsun truck or the Fiat Brava would be a stupider (I know that's not a word, but it applies) move at almost $8k. My mom and stepdad had an '80 (non F.I., I think) Brava for about four years (half of which were spent in a shop, while they drove our super-reliable '72 Econoline)....at least ours was a four-door with a 5 speed. It was replaced with a Camry, fortunately. I think I'd take the truck, if given a choice of spending 4x as much as either vehicle is worth in this case. Really like both Lemko-mobiles, those are quite up my alley, garish colors aside, though probably wouldn't be so happy in my garage.
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Re: cars without air... [hpmctorque] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jul 11, 2009 (7:27 am)
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Replying to: hpmctorque (Jul 10, 2009 9:47 pm)

The real reason, I think, is VENT WINDOWS. These were marvelous little devices...you could direct a blast of air on your face, you could discreetly discard various items, and they made great defrosters. I really miss 'em.

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