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Re: Borgward? [bumpy] by fintail
Jul 08, 2009 (12:31 pm)
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Replying to: bumpy (Jul 08, 2009 10:34 am)

I read somewhere that the undoing of Borgward had some fishy dealings too, and the company wouldn't have had to go under if it held out a little while longer. I don't know if it had to do with P100 vs fintail though, I haven't heard that before. The fintail was very well received from the day it hit the streets, and the odder ahd heavier looking Borgward doesn't seem to have been a danger, at least in my eyes.
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Fintail: by jrosasmc
Jul 08, 2009 (2:59 pm)
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I came across this article from TTAC's website and I figured you would want to take a look at it:
 
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/review-1975-mercedes-benz-280s/
 
I do see W116s around the DC area from time to time but they are almost always 300SDs. How come we almost never see 280S sedans anymore?
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Re: yesterday.... [texases] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jul 08, 2009 (3:59 pm)
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Replying to: texases (Jul 08, 2009 12:18 pm)

I've been rooting for Cadillac but I have to confess I went public a few years back with pretty stiff skepticism about the XLR. It has indeed become not the "competition" for the Mercedes SL or the Lexus SC430 but rather an "obscure" car that surprises us when we see one.
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Re: yesterday.... [Mr_Shiftright] by kyfdx HOST
Jul 08, 2009 (4:29 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jul 08, 2009 3:59 pm)

Hey.. they are trying, at least..
 
RWD... Now, a wagon.. Moving the SRX from a RWD based sedan to the Equinox platform is a move in the wrong direction, I think..
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Re: Borgward? [Mr_Shiftright] by bumpy
Jul 08, 2009 (5:03 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jul 08, 2009 11:22 am)

You mean the GM that decided its money was better spent trying to smear Ralph Nader than, say, offer free rear swaybar upgrades to first-gen Corvair buyers?
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Re: Fintail: [jrosasmc] by fintail
Jul 08, 2009 (5:48 pm)
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Replying to: jrosasmc (Jul 08, 2009 2:59 pm)

Nice article.
 
Those cars were the last carb MBs to hit this continent IIRC - that might be part of their downfall. When carbs get finicky, I think some people give up on other things, especially when parts and maintenance are so dear. They also can rust pretty handily, the seating can get a little odd if exposed to harsh climates - collapsed cushions and wrinkled upholstery, and they are guzzlers. I think the 280S was also sold in smaller numbers than the 450 series cars, and the late diesels.
 
Europe would have the 280S in W126 form through 1984 or 85.
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Weird car! by bob550k
Jul 08, 2009 (10:10 pm)
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Weird.
 
I saw a 1954 Kaiser Darrin Convertible on Saturday in Irvine. The doors actually slide into pockets in the front fenders, no hinges!
 
Bizarre car.
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Re: cars without air... [ghulet] by andre1969
Jul 09, 2009 (4:21 am)
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Replying to: ghulet (Jul 08, 2009 11:59 am)

Maybe it's a more common thing up north? Still, I imagine that the Chicago area can get just as hot in the summer months as it does down here in the DC area! I remember a friend of mine back in college, who moved from Washington state, who had a 1990 or so Civic sedan without air. We thought it was weird, but I guess the climate up there was cool enough that it wasn't as essential.
 
The newest car I can think of without air, that anybody in my family has had, was my Mom's 1966 Catalina convertible that she bought new. It was gone before my time, so I don't remember it, but have seen pictures. I remember asking her if it had air conditioning and she was like "Why would it have air conditioning? It was a CONVERTIBLE!!" FWIW, my '67 has it, but it doesn't work.
 
Those older cars from the 60's and earlier, including the 60's designs that held over into the 70's, seemed to have better fresh air ventilation than their replacements, so I don't think a/c was nearly as necessary. 70's cars also seem sealed tighter. I know with my '76 LeMans, '85 Silverado (dates back to 1973) and '79 New Yorkers are all pretty tight, to where, if the windows are all rolled up, you have to really slam the door to make sure it shuts right. Just don't do that with the window down though, or something will break!
 
Having rear windows that roll down definitely helps, too. My '76 LeMans can get pretty stifling in hot weather, with its stationary opera windows. My two NYers though, being 4-door, seem to air out much better.
 
A '77 Caprice coupe, though, especially as well-equipped as your neighbors was otherwise, seems a real oddity in not having a/c! And I bet with that big wraparound rear window, it was perfect for baking the back seat passengers!
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Re: cars without air... [andre1969] by imidazol97
Jul 09, 2009 (5:00 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Jul 09, 2009 4:21 am)

>have better fresh air ventilation than their replacements,
 
Indeed they did. You bring up a very good point. I recall my 67 Mustang had vents on the underdash C-pillar that could be opened with a little pull knob that were great, as long as the car was moving. Air from outside blew on your legs and up over the seat. Even in urban stoplight traffic enough air came through that I didn't need AC.
 
But things changed and on my 70 Mustang I had AC and the vents were gone.
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Re: cars without air... [andre1969] by michaell
Jul 09, 2009 (5:11 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Jul 09, 2009 4:21 am)

When I lived in California, many of the cars I owned didn't have A/C ... of course, I was only a few miles from the ocean, so a day where the temp got to 90 was considered hot.
 
When I moved to Denver, the car I had at the time ('91 Nissan Sentra SE) didn't have A/C. I traded that in for a '93 Accord DX, also w/o air. Never again!

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