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On the Belt Parkway by stickguy
Jul 06, 2009 (5:10 pm)
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AKA Satan's own road, of all places
 
An early Sl Mercedes convert. Red. Passed the other way, so didnt see the badges, but I assume it was a 190SL?
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Re: . [andre1969] by berri
Jul 06, 2009 (5:16 pm)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Jul 06, 2009 4:53 pm)

I like the coupes and convertibles, but also enjoy seeing 4 Dr and wagons since they can be nostalgic representing the actual cars we mostly grew up with. 1962 was a indeed good year for Olds.
 
I think you could get the Pontiac T-37 with racing stripes and a spoiler. It also cut costs by things like a fixed rear seat window that didn't roll down, and despite the sporty options I think it still had a bench seat. I believe there was a "heavy Chevy" or some such version Chevelle as well that was a poor kids fake muscle car back then. I just could never get into racing stripes on a car. I always liked the 71/72 Plymouth Sebring coupe. I thought it was a sharp looking car, but I don't think it really sold all that well. In fact, I think it did better with the 73 restyle which I personally found kind of boxy and less attractive. I also liked the 72 fastback Torino coupe and its roofline, but I think that style was also short lived. I guess the message back then related to the cars I liked was that I was either avant garde or the only taste I had was in my mouth!
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Re: Borgward? [martian] by fintail
Jul 06, 2009 (5:29 pm)
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Replying to: martian (Jul 06, 2009 4:30 pm)

I think Borgward was in the US for about 5 years...with the reasonably good looking Isabella coupe, and a few other weirdos.
 
The firm went under in Germany in the early 60s, but was made in Mexico until around 1970. Some kind of financial shenanigans.
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Re: . [andre1969] by fintail
Jul 06, 2009 (5:31 pm)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Jul 06, 2009 4:53 pm)

I was thinking it was a homemade badge when I first saw it, as the car looked to obviously be restored, and maybe had some kind of unique modification and a unique badge to go along with. I learned something, doesn't happen every day
 
And about a decade later, Pontiac would bless us again with the "T" prefix with the awesome T-1000.
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Re: Borgward? [martian] by andys120
Jul 06, 2009 (5:32 pm)
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Replying to: martian (Jul 06, 2009 4:30 pm)

How long was this rather obscure make sold in the USA?
And, what happened to the firm..was it absorbed by a larger automobile maker?

 
I couldn't tell you definitively but I first became aware of them ca. 1957-8 and they ceased production in 1961. The primary export to the US was the Isabella Sport Coupe, a lower priced competitor to the Mercedes 190SL.
 
Production machinery was sold to a Mexican according to Wikipedia where they were produced from '67-'70.
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Re: . [fintail] by toomanyfumes
Jul 06, 2009 (5:57 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Jul 06, 2009 5:31 pm)

I remember a friend's parents had a T-37 Lemans. I think it was pretty stripped, I rode in it a few times but all I remember is it had the two speed powerglide trans.
 
I passed a Mustang convertible for sale this weekend, thought the sign said $2000 so I stopped to look. It ended up being $20,000. I think it was a '73, It was one of the bloated ones. Pretty pricey for probably one of the more undesireble Mustangs.
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There's a very rough... by lemko
Jul 07, 2009 (10:27 am)
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....1971-72 Pontiac LeMans four-door sedan for sale in my neighborhood. I can't tell what the original color was as almost every color is on it - white, black, blue, red...
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Re: Borgward? [fintail] by mp67riv
Jul 08, 2009 (7:56 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Jul 06, 2009 5:29 pm)

In addition to the Isabella coupe, there was a two door sedan and, I believe, a two door wagon. My understanding is that they were fairly well made cars. The Isabella coupe had similar lines to the VW Karmann Ghia coupe.
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Re: Borgward? [martian] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jul 08, 2009 (7:59 am)
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Replying to: martian (Jul 06, 2009 4:30 pm)

That's right --Borgward was sold in the USA up to about 1961 or thereabouts. The company was then liquidated, assets sold off to pay creditors, and manufacturing rights sold to someone in Mexico. Apparently some Isabellas and some sedans were made in Mexico in the late 60s but I never saw one. The company died for good soon after that.
 
Mr. Borgward made some interesting cars, even a racer. But he was apparently a very eccentric, egomaniacal type, and drove his company in a wrong direction.
 
He could have been a contendah....he could have been somebody...
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Re: Borgward? [mp67riv] by fintail
Jul 08, 2009 (8:24 am)
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Replying to: mp67riv (Jul 08, 2009 7:56 am)

Yep, I think those were both sold in NA, and IIRC, they also had the Isabella name.
 
The cars have a decent following in Europe, and quite a few seem to have survived, so they were probably solid.

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