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Borgward? by martian
Jul 06, 2009 (4:30 pm)
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How long was this rather obscure make sold in the USA?
And, what happened to the firm..was it absorbed by a larger automobile maker?
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Re: . [fintail] by andre1969
Jul 06, 2009 (4:53 pm)
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I'd heard of a GT-37, but never really knew what it was. However, a friend of mine used to have a 1971 T-37, as he called it. He had it before I knew him though, so I never saw it. He used to talk about it like it was something special. Essentially all it was though, was the cheapest intermediate Pontiac that year, replacing the Tempest. In 1970, Pontiac had the Tempest, LeMans, LeMans Custom, and GTO, and labeled them all as separate models. For 1971 though, they were all just "LeMans", with T37, LeMans, LeMans Sport, and GTO all different sub-levels. Basically, one of those name-game shuffles that Detroit is famous for.
 
In googling the GT-37, it looks like it was advertised as sort of a poor man's GTO. It came standard with a 350-2bbl, rather than the Chevy-6. However, you could order it with bigger engines, like the 400 and 455.
 
When my friend was still in college, at the U of MD, one day he came out to the parking lot to see some fresh body damage down the side of his car. He got really upset about it, but then really went ballistic when he saw that the car in the spot next to it, a newish Honda Accord (this would've been around 1981-82 I guess) had damage on it that matched up! Yep, that's right, the perp had the nerve not only to hit his car, but just leave their car blatantly parked right next to it!
 
Well, it turns out it was owned by an Indian girl, new to this country (and driving, evidently) and she said that she thought it was okay to hit my friend's car, because it was an old car!
 
Ultimately, that car gave way to a 1982 Bonneville with the bigger Buick 252 V-6. Sometime in the late 1980's, my friend got it repainted, in its original light jadestone. Within days of the repaint, one rainy fateful day, a mid 1970's Royal Monaco wagon wiped out, crossed the center line, and took him out along with a late 70's Cutlass Supreme and a Citation. Must have been pick on GM day! The Cutlass and Bonneville were totaled. I don't think the Citation was totaled, but it wasn't driveable either. The only car that drove away from that scene was that mammoth Royal Monaco!
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BMWs by stickguy
Jul 06, 2009 (5:09 pm)
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next door neighbor to a relative I was visiting this weekend.
 
1st a 1988 325. Odd part was that it was an iX. I didnt even know they made them that early.
 
And the nice one inthe garage. A gen 1 (forgot to ask which year) red M3. All original, super clean and totally stock.
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On the Belt Parkway by stickguy
Jul 06, 2009 (5:10 pm)
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AKA Satan's own road, of all places
 
An early Sl Mercedes convert. Red. Passed the other way, so didnt see the badges, but I assume it was a 190SL?
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Re: . [andre1969] by berri
Jul 06, 2009 (5:16 pm)
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I like the coupes and convertibles, but also enjoy seeing 4 Dr and wagons since they can be nostalgic representing the actual cars we mostly grew up with. 1962 was a indeed good year for Olds.
 
I think you could get the Pontiac T-37 with racing stripes and a spoiler. It also cut costs by things like a fixed rear seat window that didn't roll down, and despite the sporty options I think it still had a bench seat. I believe there was a "heavy Chevy" or some such version Chevelle as well that was a poor kids fake muscle car back then. I just could never get into racing stripes on a car. I always liked the 71/72 Plymouth Sebring coupe. I thought it was a sharp looking car, but I don't think it really sold all that well. In fact, I think it did better with the 73 restyle which I personally found kind of boxy and less attractive. I also liked the 72 fastback Torino coupe and its roofline, but I think that style was also short lived. I guess the message back then related to the cars I liked was that I was either avant garde or the only taste I had was in my mouth!
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Re: Borgward? [martian] by fintail
Jul 06, 2009 (5:29 pm)
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Replying to: martian (Jul 06, 2009 4:30 pm)

I think Borgward was in the US for about 5 years...with the reasonably good looking Isabella coupe, and a few other weirdos.
 
The firm went under in Germany in the early 60s, but was made in Mexico until around 1970. Some kind of financial shenanigans.
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Re: . [andre1969] by fintail
Jul 06, 2009 (5:31 pm)
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I was thinking it was a homemade badge when I first saw it, as the car looked to obviously be restored, and maybe had some kind of unique modification and a unique badge to go along with. I learned something, doesn't happen every day
 
And about a decade later, Pontiac would bless us again with the "T" prefix with the awesome T-1000.
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Re: Borgward? [martian] by andys120
Jul 06, 2009 (5:32 pm)
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Replying to: martian (Jul 06, 2009 4:30 pm)

How long was this rather obscure make sold in the USA?
And, what happened to the firm..was it absorbed by a larger automobile maker?

 
I couldn't tell you definitively but I first became aware of them ca. 1957-8 and they ceased production in 1961. The primary export to the US was the Isabella Sport Coupe, a lower priced competitor to the Mercedes 190SL.
 
Production machinery was sold to a Mexican according to Wikipedia where they were produced from '67-'70.
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Re: . [fintail] by toomanyfumes
Jul 06, 2009 (5:57 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Jul 06, 2009 5:31 pm)

I remember a friend's parents had a T-37 Lemans. I think it was pretty stripped, I rode in it a few times but all I remember is it had the two speed powerglide trans.
 
I passed a Mustang convertible for sale this weekend, thought the sign said $2000 so I stopped to look. It ended up being $20,000. I think it was a '73, It was one of the bloated ones. Pretty pricey for probably one of the more undesireble Mustangs.
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There's a very rough... by lemko
Jul 07, 2009 (10:27 am)
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....1971-72 Pontiac LeMans four-door sedan for sale in my neighborhood. I can't tell what the original color was as almost every color is on it - white, black, blue, red...

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