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Re: I also like that the 280SL.... [ghulet] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jun 19, 2009 (5:42 am)
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Replying to: ghulet (Jun 18, 2009 8:40 pm)

Looks like the eBay bidders are a lot more sober than the sellers of these older luxury cars. This is after all 2009, not 1989, with labor rates well over $100 an hour and engine rebuilds on a 500 series car approaching $20,000.
 
What you're "missing" (I know you really didn't miss it) on the 300E is the mileage. At 207K the car is pretty tired, regardless of the care and maintenance---in other words, unless it's been rebuilt stem to stern, at any moment, catastrophe is lurking.
 
Keep in mind with these old Benzes that one major failure and you have to junk the car. There's no logical alternative.
 
So you have to get in cheap, you just have to.
 
There are some exceptions. Very low mileage cars with a stack of service records the size of the Manhattan phone book would be very very good. I'd pay a premium for a car like that.
 
280SL -- this is a European car, and ALL European cars are rust-suspect. Once the strict German regulations kicked rust buckets off the road in the 1980s & early 90s, we used to end up with them, after a quick re-furbish in Belgium or Yugoslavia by eastern European workers.
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Re: I also like that the 280SL.... [ghulet] by texases
Jun 19, 2009 (5:57 am)
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Replying to: ghulet (Jun 18, 2009 8:40 pm)

I also imagine the market for '89 300SEs is pretty small, when you can get a V8 for not much more $$. If I want that old MB experience, it'll be a 450SEL...
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Re: I also like that the 280SL.... [texases] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jun 19, 2009 (6:01 am)
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Replying to: texases (Jun 19, 2009 5:57 am)

Let's face it---the only people shopping for these 80s Benz sedans are NOT collectors---they are people looking for a nice ride or a "look rich for cheap" kind of car.
 
These old sedans invariably fall into the hands of the very people who cannot take care of them.
 
I certainly learned my lesson, putting sweat and money into a car that won't be worth a penny more when I'm done fixing it all up.
 
I'd consider a clean low miles 300E. I have confidence in that model.
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Re: I also like that the 280SL.... [ghulet] by fintail
Jun 19, 2009 (6:40 am)
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Replying to: ghulet (Jun 18, 2009 8:40 pm)

That late 300SD looks amazing, but the bid price is a lot more realistic than the insane buy it now.
 
A 380SL worth 19K is going to be a concours quality showpiece with four digits on the odometer.
 
The SEC is kind of miled up, but does look cared for and would make a stylish beater. I don't completely buy the story about the "rare" wheels - those sure look like standard early R129 wheels to me. I see the outside temperature display has died...that would drive me crazy, looking at a dead LCD.
 
300SE is another good beater, but at that mileage I would like to be sure the transmission is OK, so you can know you'll get at least a few hundred miles out of it. However, the wise money is spending 5-6K and getting an immaculate one with no cosmetic or mechanical needs at all.
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not looking to buy... by ghulet
Jun 19, 2009 (7:15 am)
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...but if I were, the only 'daily driver' here would be that 132k mile 87 300E (lots of records, lots of new stuff, $2500); for interest, the Saudi 500SEL is very cool, but I know expensive and/or impossible to repair, but that price is so tempting relative to the interest-factor of that car. For a daily driver, though, the largesse and 10 mpg city are not so hot.
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Re: not looking to buy... [ghulet] by fintail
Jun 19, 2009 (7:21 am)
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Replying to: ghulet (Jun 19, 2009 7:15 am)

That's the safest choice. Cheap price of admission, solid mechanicals, not overly complex, still usable as a daily driver.
 
The 500SEL is for someone with lots of money and time - and in the end you'll just be a nutjob who restored a W126
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Re: more Eighties Mercedes [fintail] by bumpy
Jun 19, 2009 (7:34 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Jun 18, 2009 7:38 pm)

Sadly, that 190 is an autotragic; it would have been long gone if it was a manual.
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Fiat Coupe by andys120
Jun 19, 2009 (4:12 pm)
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Fiat 124 Sport Spiders are rare now but you could go years without seeing a 124 Sport Coupe. Today I saw and one appeared to be in nice (not showroom) shape. It was a second gen ( ''70?-''73) in medium blue.
 
I was instantly jealous of the guy driving it. 124 Sports are a blast to drive and you look good doing it.
 
Earlier this week I saw a nice dark green post ''74 Sport Spider, perhaps a 2000.
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. by fintail
Jun 19, 2009 (5:33 pm)
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Patina
 
"The Bomb"...a real limo
 
Don't drive over bumps, or railroad crossings, or in the rain
 
Odd powertrain
 
Not for the weak of stomach
 
Blue whale
 
Bordello on wheels
 
These get good bids
 
Of all the things to preserve
 
The only one left that isn't a 70s dragster
 
Survivor
 
Odd rod
 
When GM was aspirational
 
Not for this continent
 
Early subcompact
 
Probably not the right place for this too
 
Funny van
 
Insane bids
 
"CLASSIC BEAUTY"
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fintail, do you only post insane-mobiles? by ghulet
Jun 19, 2009 (11:58 pm)
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Just kidding, sort of. I know literally nothing about most European and/or Russian makes, so I can't comment, but as for the others, well...
 
The '76 Deville chop top: since it wasn't mentioned, I'll assume it doesn't actually have a 'convertible' top; yeah, those weren't the most sturdy of cars anyway, so your comment re: railroad tracks, etc. is duly noted. I'd like it a whole lot better if it had less-nasty-than-schoolbus yellow paint.....Ugh. I guess OK for someone who has a garage and a tenuous ego.
 
The Supercharged Seville--the answer to a question that nobody asked, especially since someone was inexplicably compelled to spend $70k to do that. There's no accounting for taste or reason, I guess.
 
The '69 Newport--very nice, but I never understand (from a 'collector' standpoint, though I like as a non-collector) why so many old Chrysler sedans in really nice shape exist versus other domestic brands.....seriously, I don't see as many old lower-line Buicks and Mercurys in this condition, but on eBay I see Chryslers all the time.
 
The Bordello--see above....Gawd, that interior is sumptuous, I'd totally sleep there, except I'd probably drool too much and sweat from the velour. Sleepy time or yes, other nighttime functions.
 
"Of all things to preserve"....indeed, I've quickly searched my drunken head and I see no reason, cuz there are no reasons....to save a low-mile but otherwise lackluster '82 Nissan pickup. Perhaps some weirdo will find one, though.

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