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Re: I like this.... [ghulet] by fintail
Jun 18, 2009 (6:05 pm)
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Replying to: ghulet (Jun 18, 2009 5:58 pm)

If I had lots of spare funds and space, I just might try to save that one.
 
The four place seating option is extremely rare, and I like that. The sportier velour is actually quite rare too, usually the velour in one of those is a little more old fashioned and plush. And it's a loaded Euro model with airbag, limited slip, etc. Very unusual on this continent.
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more Eighties Mercedes by ghulet
Jun 18, 2009 (6:43 pm)
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from eBay:
 
560 SECs tend to vascilate between overpriced or junky, this one is a happy medium, I love the color combo:
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MERCEDES-WOW-RARE-FIND-GORGEOUS-MECHANICALLY-REST- - - ORED_W0QQitemZ270410517402QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item3ef5b90b9a&- - - _trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A-2%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1308
 
I still miss my mom's old 300E, this is quite nice, low miles and cheap (they're all cheap, but I like the color combo, condition and general odds on this one):
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1987-MERCEDES-BENZ-300E_W0QQitemZ130311672752QQcm- - - dZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item1e572e53b0&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparm- - - s=65%3A-2%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
 
not a bad cheapie 190 Diesel:
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MERCEDES-BENZ-190D-2-5-1986-135K-MILES-NO-RESERVE- - - _W0QQitemZ110401443525QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item19b47056c5&_trk- - - sid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A-2%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
 
I'm generally leary of older SLs, but I like the condition (in photos, anyway) and (alleged) mileage on this, and the price (since everyone seems to think their old SL is worth $10k+) is awesome. Yeah, I know it's gray-market, and despite the fancy ad, it says NOTHING about the car specifically, just about the dealer (oh yeah, and as for old six-cylinder SLs, I wish this were a stick):
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1984-MERCEDES-BENZ-280SL_W0QQitemZ320377187656QQc- - - mdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item4a97f7ed48&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkpar- - - ms=65%3A-2%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
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Re: more Eighties Mercedes [ghulet] by fintail
Jun 18, 2009 (7:38 pm)
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Replying to: ghulet (Jun 18, 2009 6:43 pm)

That SEC is pretty....my favorite color for MB of that era is the color of my old W126 - "Diamond Blue", but that one is nice too. The period-correct early AMG monoblocks look good on it too. The mechanical restoration claims aren't legit - an engine rebuild alone on one of those would top 10K easily, but at that mileage, it shouldn't need one anyway. Maybe it had some valvetrain work or something.
 
Speaking of SECs, a local auction house recently sold This period cabrio conversion of a Euro 500SEC from 1983....I forgot to keep an eye on it, and I wasn't able to see what it brought or if it was decent, or who made it. It's very rare anyway, one of a few dozen no doubt. The recent pimpy add on crap could be removed easily...it'd be one for the specialist.
 
A decent W124 is probably the safest way to enter into MB ownership. You can find good ones for a few grand now, they aren't terrible to keep up with, and they are still competent on the road, 20+ years later.
 
The 190D is sought after, that's an uncommon car. I am surprised some nut hasn't bought it already.
 
That SL is probably rusty underneath, given its low price and location. That or it has a mechanical fault of epic proportions....as the price is quite cheap and cosmetically it looks very good.
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I also like that the 280SL.... by ghulet
Jun 18, 2009 (8:40 pm)
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....has a kinder seat, with belts. I should just go look at it, it's maybe 15 miles away.
 
Here's probably the nicest 300SD on earth, but still, do you really want one at this price?:
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1985-MERCEDES-300SD-SEDAN-48-074-MILES-ONE-OWNER-- - DIESEL_W0QQitemZ190315399041QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item2c4fae878- - 1&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A-2%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1308
 
another for the Few Pictures, ZERO description, Insane Price file:
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1983-MERCEDES-BENZ-380SL_W0QQitemZ350215232806QQc- - mdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item518a745d26&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkpar- - ms=65%3A-2%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
 
Nice looking, cheapish SEC:
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-560-SEC-Mercedes-W126-coupe_W0QQite- - mZ320384813835QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item4a986c4b0b&_trksid=p450- - 6.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A-2%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
 
....and unless I'm missing something (or something is not divulged here), this is a helluva deal, even with 207k miles:
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1989-MERCEDES-BENZ-300SE-4-DR-CALIFORNIA-CAR_W0QQ- itemZ230349305109QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item35a1e37515&_trksid=p- 4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A-1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
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Re: I also like that the 280SL.... [ghulet] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jun 19, 2009 (5:42 am)
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Replying to: ghulet (Jun 18, 2009 8:40 pm)

Looks like the eBay bidders are a lot more sober than the sellers of these older luxury cars. This is after all 2009, not 1989, with labor rates well over $100 an hour and engine rebuilds on a 500 series car approaching $20,000.
 
What you're "missing" (I know you really didn't miss it) on the 300E is the mileage. At 207K the car is pretty tired, regardless of the care and maintenance---in other words, unless it's been rebuilt stem to stern, at any moment, catastrophe is lurking.
 
Keep in mind with these old Benzes that one major failure and you have to junk the car. There's no logical alternative.
 
So you have to get in cheap, you just have to.
 
There are some exceptions. Very low mileage cars with a stack of service records the size of the Manhattan phone book would be very very good. I'd pay a premium for a car like that.
 
280SL -- this is a European car, and ALL European cars are rust-suspect. Once the strict German regulations kicked rust buckets off the road in the 1980s & early 90s, we used to end up with them, after a quick re-furbish in Belgium or Yugoslavia by eastern European workers.
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Re: I also like that the 280SL.... [ghulet] by texases
Jun 19, 2009 (5:57 am)
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Replying to: ghulet (Jun 18, 2009 8:40 pm)

I also imagine the market for '89 300SEs is pretty small, when you can get a V8 for not much more $$. If I want that old MB experience, it'll be a 450SEL...
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Re: I also like that the 280SL.... [texases] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jun 19, 2009 (6:01 am)
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Replying to: texases (Jun 19, 2009 5:57 am)

Let's face it---the only people shopping for these 80s Benz sedans are NOT collectors---they are people looking for a nice ride or a "look rich for cheap" kind of car.
 
These old sedans invariably fall into the hands of the very people who cannot take care of them.
 
I certainly learned my lesson, putting sweat and money into a car that won't be worth a penny more when I'm done fixing it all up.
 
I'd consider a clean low miles 300E. I have confidence in that model.
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Re: I also like that the 280SL.... [ghulet] by fintail
Jun 19, 2009 (6:40 am)
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Replying to: ghulet (Jun 18, 2009 8:40 pm)

That late 300SD looks amazing, but the bid price is a lot more realistic than the insane buy it now.
 
A 380SL worth 19K is going to be a concours quality showpiece with four digits on the odometer.
 
The SEC is kind of miled up, but does look cared for and would make a stylish beater. I don't completely buy the story about the "rare" wheels - those sure look like standard early R129 wheels to me. I see the outside temperature display has died...that would drive me crazy, looking at a dead LCD.
 
300SE is another good beater, but at that mileage I would like to be sure the transmission is OK, so you can know you'll get at least a few hundred miles out of it. However, the wise money is spending 5-6K and getting an immaculate one with no cosmetic or mechanical needs at all.
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not looking to buy... by ghulet
Jun 19, 2009 (7:15 am)
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...but if I were, the only 'daily driver' here would be that 132k mile 87 300E (lots of records, lots of new stuff, $2500); for interest, the Saudi 500SEL is very cool, but I know expensive and/or impossible to repair, but that price is so tempting relative to the interest-factor of that car. For a daily driver, though, the largesse and 10 mpg city are not so hot.
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Re: not looking to buy... [ghulet] by fintail
Jun 19, 2009 (7:21 am)
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Replying to: ghulet (Jun 19, 2009 7:15 am)

That's the safest choice. Cheap price of admission, solid mechanicals, not overly complex, still usable as a daily driver.
 
The 500SEL is for someone with lots of money and time - and in the end you'll just be a nutjob who restored a W126

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