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Re: . [fintail] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jan 18, 2009 (4:32 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Jan 18, 2009 4:24 pm)

yes I think both the 544 with B16 or B18 came in "sport" versions, but I don't recall that a 444 ever came in a sport version.
 
I once saw a B18A engine, which has only one downdraft carburetor. Most engines you'll see are B18Ds.
 
The B16 has a fatal flaw in it so i can't imagine adding extra HP to it for a sport version. It simply doesn't have enough main bearings (only 3 I think) as opposed to the B18s five main bearings (BIG difference!).
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Re: . [Mr_Shiftright] by oregonboy
Jan 18, 2009 (7:27 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jan 18, 2009 4:32 pm)

Here's Wikipedia's take on the 544:
 
In 1958, the PV544 was phased in. Subtle differences with the PV444 included the introduction of a curved one-piece windshield to replace the two panes of flat glass, a larger backlight, and a ribbon-type speedometer. The 444's 3-speed manual transmission was also supplanted by a 4-speed unit in the 544.
 
The next significant change occurred in 1962, when the B16 was replaced by Volvo's new B18 engine, initially developed for the P1800 sports car introduced the previous year. This 1.8 L engine had five main bearings. Again single and twin carburettor versions were offered, designated B18A and B18D, respectively. The U.S. market saw very few[vague] B18A cars since the United States' public prioritised performance over fuel economy. Also in 1962, Volvo changed from 6- to 12-volt electrical systems.
 
The PV544 was also made as an estate (wagon) version, the Duett, initially designated the P445 and later the P210.
 
The 544 received incremental mechanical revisions and trim changes until its final production year of 1965. Exactly 440,000 units were built during the 18-year run. The car had so endeared itself to its owners that Volvo ran self-deprecating advertisements in late 1965 and early 1966 imploring PV owners not to be angry with the company.
 
The Duett's utility allowed Volvo to continue the wagon's production through the 1969 model year. These were then replaced in some markets by a high-roof version of the Volvo 145, called the Express.

 
Ain't this a hoot?! Do you think that it can hold off the Alfa?
 

 
Lots of nice old volvo pics here
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Uh-oh... by andre1969
Jan 21, 2009 (11:22 am)
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It looks like I might need to hide those checks that came from the bank when I got my HELOC, because one of my dream barges has just come in!
 
It's equipped almost exactly the way I'd want one of these. Perfect color, IMO. Buick magnum rally wheels, split power seat, and power windows. Only downside, IMO, would be the engine. I'd much rather have the 455 in a beast this big. But I guess the 350 would be okay for cruising around. I drove a 4-door version with the 350, and it seemed adequate. Also, it looks like it might have been repainted. In some pics, the paint just looks funny, and there seems to be some overspray on the underside of the hood.
 
What would something like this reasonably go for? Maybe $6-7K?
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Yesterday.. by kyfdx HOST
Jan 21, 2009 (11:23 am)
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VW Phaeton...
 
Spectacular looking car.... Wouldn't touch one with your money..
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Re: Uh-oh... [andre1969] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jan 21, 2009 (11:38 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Jan 21, 2009 11:22 am)

The '75 Lesabre is very low mileage and looks to be in very nice shape, so I'd put Fair Market Value at about $10,000.
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Re: Uh-oh... [Mr_Shiftright] by fezo
Jan 21, 2009 (1:16 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jan 21, 2009 11:38 am)

Go for it, Andre!
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Re: Uh-oh... [fezo] by lokki
Jan 21, 2009 (1:45 pm)
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Replying to: fezo (Jan 21, 2009 1:16 pm)

There's been a lot of discussion about what a Buick should be..... well, that's a Buick. One of the few cars that can carry off that baby-blue and still look tasteful.
 
Question on the paint. In 75 were they still using enamels or had already they gone to thin colors with clearcoat on top?
 
Now let's make the question hard for Andre -
Which one of your current children would have to move outside to make room in the garage for this one?
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Re: Uh-oh... [lokki] by andre1969
Jan 21, 2009 (2:03 pm)
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Replying to: lokki (Jan 21, 2009 1:45 pm)

Now let's make the question hard for Andre -
Which one of your current children would have to move outside to make room in the garage for this one?

 
Well in theory, I could pull this off without having to make any of the cars give up a garage space. The DeSoto is still over at my grandmother's house. Right now the LeMans and 5th Ave are in the garage. There's an empty spot that the Catalina gets when it comes back from the mechanic...and that has been "any day now" for several weeks! What would normally be the 4th spot is currently being used for storage. Boxes, chairs, a desk, some old tv's, parts of a weight bench, and a bunch of other stuff that needs going through.
 
But once the DeSoto comes over from my grandmother's, I guess the 5th Ave would have to give up its spot in the garage, if I was to take on that Buick.
 
As for paint, they were still using enamels at that time. I think the first car to use a clearcoat paintjob, on the domestic front at least, was the 1977 Lincoln Versailles. IIRC, the next year they started offering it on other Lincolns, but I think it was an extra-cost option.
 
I always thought that baby blue was the perfect 1975 LeSabre color. I've seen other 1975 GM cars in that color, and it just doesn't suit them as well. I saw an Electra that color, and it didn't seem right, but the Electra was more upscale, and IMO needed to be metallic. I've also seen a '75 LeMans in that color, and it did nothing for me. Ditto a '75 Delta 88 convertible and '75 Caprice. All cars that I like, but that blue just seems so perfect on the LeSabre!
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Re: Uh-oh... [andre1969] by toomanyfumes
Jan 21, 2009 (3:06 pm)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Jan 21, 2009 2:03 pm)

Not a fan of baby blue, but you're right, that car can pull it off.
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Re: Uh-oh... [andre1969] by explorerx4
Jan 21, 2009 (4:17 pm)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Jan 21, 2009 11:22 am)

this picture:
reminds me a bit of
 
of this

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