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Re: Ebay time [boomchek] by fintail
Jan 18, 2009 (9:14 am)
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Replying to: boomchek (Jan 17, 2009 10:19 am)

Not a bad time to be fiscally conservative. These heavily depreciating performance sedans tempt me too, but I want to be free of payments.
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Re: . [fintail] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jan 18, 2009 (3:16 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Jan 18, 2009 9:06 am)

volvo 444 has a split front windshield and 544 doesn't. 544 is a much better car, with the B18 engine, as opposed to the 444's B16 engine, which has this funny quirk of breaking its crankshaft in half.
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Fintail: by jrosasmc
Jan 18, 2009 (3:40 pm)
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Just curious, how old do you think that Volvo 444/544 owner was? Did she look as if she was out of college, or a little older?
 
The firm I work at in the DC area has a lot of mid-to-late 20-somethings like myself. One lady I know who is about 27 drives a '79 Cadillac Sedan DeVille, and it's in mint condition. I found out that it used to be her grandmother's. I'm sure Lemko would love to meet her!
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Re: . [Mr_Shiftright] by fintail
Jan 18, 2009 (4:24 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jan 18, 2009 3:16 pm)

Was there a "Sport" model of either? It had a nameplate on the back that looked period to me, and it read "Sport" and then maybe something else.
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Re: Fintail: [jrosasmc] by fintail
Jan 18, 2009 (4:29 pm)
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Replying to: jrosasmc (Jan 18, 2009 3:40 pm)

I'd say she could have been 25-30 yeah. The car was very clean and it looked restored...so if she's an enthusiast, she's a rare breed, and more power to her.
 
Is that girl taking care of the Caddy? That's a problem I see with young people and old cars...they don't like to maintain them any different than they would a Corolla.
 
I have a friend who is around my age (31) who has a pair of 80s Monte Carlos, one is very well maintained, the other is kind of returning to the earth, very slowly. A co-worker inherited a lower mileage mid 90s LeSabre from his grandmother, but more out of necessity, as he's a perpetual debtor and the payments on his late model car were killing him (84 month term and all), so he picked up that thing. It hasn't been exactly problem-free either, I think the old timer didn't maintain it.
 
On the obscure car front, I had the fintail out on the first sunny Sunday in eons, and got a wave today from a guy in a ca. 1970 220D....he was keeping up with traffic, so flooring it no doubt. I also got a thumbs up from a guy in a Civic hybrid.
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Re: . [fintail] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jan 18, 2009 (4:32 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Jan 18, 2009 4:24 pm)

yes I think both the 544 with B16 or B18 came in "sport" versions, but I don't recall that a 444 ever came in a sport version.
 
I once saw a B18A engine, which has only one downdraft carburetor. Most engines you'll see are B18Ds.
 
The B16 has a fatal flaw in it so i can't imagine adding extra HP to it for a sport version. It simply doesn't have enough main bearings (only 3 I think) as opposed to the B18s five main bearings (BIG difference!).
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Re: . [Mr_Shiftright] by oregonboy
Jan 18, 2009 (7:27 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jan 18, 2009 4:32 pm)

Here's Wikipedia's take on the 544:
 
In 1958, the PV544 was phased in. Subtle differences with the PV444 included the introduction of a curved one-piece windshield to replace the two panes of flat glass, a larger backlight, and a ribbon-type speedometer. The 444's 3-speed manual transmission was also supplanted by a 4-speed unit in the 544.
 
The next significant change occurred in 1962, when the B16 was replaced by Volvo's new B18 engine, initially developed for the P1800 sports car introduced the previous year. This 1.8 L engine had five main bearings. Again single and twin carburettor versions were offered, designated B18A and B18D, respectively. The U.S. market saw very few[vague] B18A cars since the United States' public prioritised performance over fuel economy. Also in 1962, Volvo changed from 6- to 12-volt electrical systems.
 
The PV544 was also made as an estate (wagon) version, the Duett, initially designated the P445 and later the P210.
 
The 544 received incremental mechanical revisions and trim changes until its final production year of 1965. Exactly 440,000 units were built during the 18-year run. The car had so endeared itself to its owners that Volvo ran self-deprecating advertisements in late 1965 and early 1966 imploring PV owners not to be angry with the company.
 
The Duett's utility allowed Volvo to continue the wagon's production through the 1969 model year. These were then replaced in some markets by a high-roof version of the Volvo 145, called the Express.

 
Ain't this a hoot?! Do you think that it can hold off the Alfa?
 

 
Lots of nice old volvo pics here
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Uh-oh... by andre1969
Jan 21, 2009 (11:22 am)
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It looks like I might need to hide those checks that came from the bank when I got my HELOC, because one of my dream barges has just come in!
 
It's equipped almost exactly the way I'd want one of these. Perfect color, IMO. Buick magnum rally wheels, split power seat, and power windows. Only downside, IMO, would be the engine. I'd much rather have the 455 in a beast this big. But I guess the 350 would be okay for cruising around. I drove a 4-door version with the 350, and it seemed adequate. Also, it looks like it might have been repainted. In some pics, the paint just looks funny, and there seems to be some overspray on the underside of the hood.
 
What would something like this reasonably go for? Maybe $6-7K?
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Yesterday.. by kyfdx HOST
Jan 21, 2009 (11:23 am)
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VW Phaeton...
 
Spectacular looking car.... Wouldn't touch one with your money..
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Re: Uh-oh... [andre1969] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jan 21, 2009 (11:38 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Jan 21, 2009 11:22 am)

The '75 Lesabre is very low mileage and looks to be in very nice shape, so I'd put Fair Market Value at about $10,000.

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