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#14283 of 18022 Re: Ebay time [imidazol97] by andre1969 Aug 01, 2008 (6:21 pm)
Replying to: imidazol97 (Aug 01, 2008 6:00 pm) The 260 first popped up in 1975. It was the base V-8 in the Omega, as well as the Cutlass coupe and sedan. A Chevy 250-inline 6 was actually the base engine, though. But then the next step above the 260 was the 350 V-8. The Cutlass didn't mess around with 305's or 301's. For 1977, the Olds 350 had 170 hp, and I think that was the 4-bbl. Then above that was a 403-4bbl with 185 hp.   There was a 160 hp 350, which I guess was a 2-bbl. It was offered only in the Delta 88, with the 170 hp version being optional.   The 260 only had 110 hp back in those early years, and had to have been a dog. CR tested a 1977 Cutlass sedan with the 260, and I want to say it took 21 seconds to do 0-60! In that test, they had a newly downsized Caprice with a 305, an LTD II with a 302, and a Monaco or Fury with a 318, and I think they all made 0-60 in about 12.5-13 seconds. I always suspected they picked the 260 for the Cutlass on purpose to make it look bad. A 350 Cutlass probably would have blown all those other cars away. And CR was really pulling for the Caprice. Replies to this message: imidazol97 (Aug 01, 2008 6:28 pm) andre1969 (Aug 01, 2008 6:33 pm) toomanyfumes (Aug 02, 2008 8:06 am)
#14284 of 18022 Re: Ebay time [fintail] by texases Aug 01, 2008 (6:23 pm)
Replying to: fintail (Aug 01, 2008 5:37 pm) Like that Z, no idea what it's worth. Always wondered how they put such ugly hubcaps on such a great car. And only $500 difference between minimum and buy it now? Odd... Replies to this message: kyfdx (Aug 02, 2008 3:25 am)
#14285 of 18022 Re: Ebay time [andre1969] by imidazol97 Aug 01, 2008 (6:28 pm)
Replying to: andre1969 (Aug 01, 2008 6:21 pm) The 231 was new for 1977 as the base engine in many Cutlass models (and Omega). The 5 speed manual was an option with the 260, so that was the saving grace since it was a manual--but the axle ratio was 2.73. No burnouts there. The 442 was neutered by 1977. If I read right, a 350 or 403 would each have the automatic as the transmission; the 260 was the only manual.   I can remember the brochure. The Cutlass I bought was the 1st one on the cover, tan over metallic brown. I wonder if I still have the sales brochures packed in a box along with my AMC pacer sales brochures... Replies to this message: andre1969 (Aug 01, 2008 6:33 pm)
#14286 of 18022 Re: Ebay time [imidazol97] by andre1969 Aug 01, 2008 (6:33 pm)
Replying to: imidazol97 (Aug 01, 2008 6:28 pm) Too bad you don't still have that '77 Cutlass. It would look cool with that car and my '76 LeMans, side-by-side! You don't have any old pictures of it you could scan in, do you?
#14287 of 18022 Re: Ebay time [texases] by kyfdx HOST Aug 02, 2008 (3:25 am)
Replying to: texases (Aug 01, 2008 6:23 pm) Yeah... the Z car is really nice.. I don't think the guy is really concerned about selling it on Ebay.. I think he just wants to get it advertised.. Otherwise, he needs to go back to school on how to get the bidding started...   '64 Dodge Dart wagon? I thought that was pretty cool.... but, at $28K it hasn't met the reserve?
#14288 of 18022 Re: Today [fintail][Mr_Shiftright]--Correction by hpmctorque Aug 02, 2008 (6:21 am)
fintail and shifty, I think my question and comments in message #14270, and your subsequent responses, applied to the Mercedes W210 models (years 1996-2002?), not the W124. From further reading, it seems that Mercedes first took cost into (greater) account with the introduction of the W210. Is that correct? Also, whether because of of this change of philosophy, or other factors, such as more features, isn't it true that the W210 has more maintenance/repair issues, and is more expensive to maintain than the W123 and W124 series?   The reason I'm asking these questions is that, if you subscribe to the notion that to reduce the probability of high cost-of-ownership one should avoid buying new cars and cars that are very old, then the W210 comes closer to the sweet spot than the W124. In fact, maybe all but the newest W210s may be too old to avoid the expenses associated more with age than mileage.   If one can afford it, do first and second year (2003? or 2004) W211s tend to be more reliable than, say, 2001 and 2002 W210s? Replies to this message: fintail (Aug 02, 2008 8:47 am)
#14289 of 18022 Re: Today [fintail][Mr_Shiftright]-- '98 E300 TD by hpmctorque Aug 02, 2008 (6:42 am)
How does the following skrike you?...     "1998 E300 Turbo Diesel. 45,000 miles, mint condition, garage kept. Smoke silver. Parchment leather. CD Changer, Mobile Phone, Rain Sensor, ESP, Headlamp Wiper/Washer, Xenon Headlamps, Michelin tires, glass sunroof, Bose Premium Music System. 3.0 Liter 24 Valve 6 Cylinder Turbo Diesel Fuel Injection. 34 Highway 26 City. One family ownership. Currently have a 2008 E320 Bluetec Diesel. Have the 1998 window sticker and can pdf this document. An absolutely fabulous car and the low mileage is your gain. All service performed by Mercedes of Fredericksburg, Virginia currently Central Euromotors. Same Mercedes mechanic performed all work and shop forman. Please email if interested."   I know certain post-W123 diesels are problematic, but I forgot just which ones.
#14290 of 18022 Re: Ebay time [andre1969] by toomanyfumes Aug 02, 2008 (8:06 am)
Replying to: andre1969 (Aug 01, 2008 6:21 pm) I think I've posted this before, but I had a '76 Cutlass 4-door with the 260 V-8. I learned to drive in it, and my dad ended up giving it to me. It was a dog. The only V-8 I've ever driven that had absolutely no torque. Pretty good mileage for a heavy car with a V-8, though.   I think you could only get a manual tranny in a 442 those years if you had the 260.
#14291 of 18022 Re: Today [fintail][Mr_Shiftright]--Correction [hpmctorque] by fintail Aug 02, 2008 (8:47 am)
Replying to: hpmctorque (Aug 02, 2008 6:21 am) W210s got better with time. The earlier years almost seem to be a beta-test by MB, and they have electrical glitches, especially in engine management. As with older cars, the powertrains are solid, but various sensors are known failure issues, and of course rear window regulators, as is common on MB for decades. These cars had more gadgets than a W124, with the maintenance needs to follow. Another issue on early W210s is rust, if the car has been neglected in a harsh winter climate. Some suspension components will rust and break with alarming severity (spring perch) and some of the body can bubble too - unacceptable in a modern car. These issues seem to strike most in pre 1998-99 models. Some of the interior materials also don't seem as good as the old days, but I will say the W211 seems even cheaper inside than the W210, I have read many statements about W211 build quality falling from the W210 (which fell from the W124). The W210 was the first "new style" MB, with the negatives and positives that come along. They are comfortable cars, are relatively economical, and can be had for little money today.   I would recommend a late W210 over an early W211. Although they have both lost a lot of value, the W210 will still be significantly cheaper even if only a year older, and it is no less reliable.   I own a W210, an E55 from the last few months of W210 production. It's well put together, the upgraded interior is very nice, and of course the tuned V8 is fun.   That diesel you mention sounds like an exceptional car - good colors and options, and the history sounds ideal . The diesels and AMG cars tend to have less issues, in my experience anyway. The diesel engines have less electrical issues I think, and back then the AMG cars were still assembled at a seperate facility.
#14292 of 18022 Re: Ebay time [fintail] by boomchek Aug 02, 2008 (10:30 am)
Replying to: fintail (Aug 01, 2008 5:37 pm) Nice collection this week. I like the Electra, and that white Wagon, especially the story behind it how it was stored for 28 years with survival supplies in case of a nuclear war.   As for the Peugeot truck, the guy has other cool rides on his site that he ledns out for films and tv, but not for sale. Check them out .   and the rat rod is cool too. I like rat rods, but that one is too much finished for my tastes. I'd like one with flat black paint, or rusty colored metal, unpainted. Replies to this message: fintail (Aug 02, 2008 11:47 am) magnette (Aug 03, 2008 7:46 am)

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