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Re: Ebay time [imidazol97] by andys120
May 24, 2008 (4:25 am)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (May 24, 2008 4:17 am)

"Great" is not a word I would use for any 1958 model from the Big 3. "Slobmobile" works for me.
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Re: Ebay time [imidazol97] by andre1969
May 24, 2008 (4:55 am)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (May 24, 2008 4:17 am)

Nice color combo on that '58 Pontiac. One styling feature that always bugged me about the '58 Pontiac is how the quad headlight assembly seemed to jut out. It's not as bad as the bug-eyed look of a '57 Ford, but I think it would look better if it was a bit more recessed.
 
Still, compared to a '58 Buick or Olds, I think the Pontiac was the best looking of that trio. Heck, if I had money to burn, I'd take it! Seems like it sold for a fairly reasonable price, too.
 
I know '58 is considered a low point for Detroit styling, but in the GM lineup, I think the only real offenders are Olds and Buick. The Pontiac seems reasonable to me, and I find the '58 Chevy and Cadillac to be attractive.
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Re: Ebay time [andre1969] by fintail
May 24, 2008 (8:00 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (May 24, 2008 4:55 am)

It hadn't sold at the buy it now when I posted the link. It wasn't dirt cheap, but it seems like a fair price for a car that with a little detailing you could proudly take to any local show. It's also very 50s looking and it is uncommon...there is some appeal. It is a photogenic old beast too, nice colors...that blue is maybe a shade lighter than my fintail.
 
Speaking of obscure cars, I received an excited call from a friend about 0730 this morning - he was driving through Olympia WA and claimed he was driving beside a Tucker. I know the LeMay museum in Tacoma has a Tucker, a blue one...my friend said the one he saw was a light yellow. He said it had collector plates, so I guess it shouldn't be a fake. Seeing a Tucker on the road has to be pretty unusual.
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Re: Ebay time [andre1969] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
May 24, 2008 (9:03 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (May 24, 2008 4:55 am)

I think something got into the drinking water in Detroit in 1958, maybe LSD.
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Re: Ebay time [Mr_Shiftright] by andre1969
May 24, 2008 (9:10 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (May 24, 2008 9:03 am)

Well, considering the lead time, it would've had to have been around 1956...
 
Although, maybe some GM or Ford spies spiked the water coolers at the Chrysler design studios around that time. That might explain the 1961 Mopars. I always looked at 1961 to Chrysler as what 1959 was to everybody else.
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Re: Ebay time [andre1969] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
May 24, 2008 (9:21 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (May 24, 2008 9:10 am)

You can get big bucks though for a '58 Bonnie convertible. I haven't a clue why someone would want one, but the demand is there.
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Re: Ebay time [Mr_Shiftright] by andre1969
May 24, 2008 (9:55 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (May 24, 2008 9:21 am)

Well in '58, the Bonneville, like the Impala, was kind of a high-spec, somewhat limited production car. So that might be part of it. Oddly though, the Bonneville wasn't really that powerful that year, at least not to my way of thinking.
 
Standard engine was a 370 V-8, that put out 255 hp wit the manual shift, 285 with the automatic. Next up was 300 hp, but it took Tri-Power to get there. And it took fuel injection to get to 310. That just doesn't sound that impressive to me, for a brand that was supposed to be transforming into GM's performance division. Heck, DeSoto was getting 280/295 hp out of the 350-2/350-4bbl, and 295/305 out of the 361-2/361-4bbls. And with the hotter engines, it was 345 with dual quads and 355 with fuel injection. Not trying to build DeSoto up here, but I just happened to know those numbers, without having to look 'em up, so I figure it's as good of a reference point as any.
 
Just out of curiosity, what is usually a better setup...three two barrels or dual quads?
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Re: Ebay time [Mr_Shiftright] by texases
May 24, 2008 (11:43 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (May 24, 2008 9:21 am)

I think I saw a '58 Bonnie converible go for $150k on one of those televised autions last week
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Re: Ebay time [texases] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
May 24, 2008 (11:55 am)
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Replying to: texases (May 24, 2008 11:43 am)

Well allowing for the auction lunacy, real market value is probably about $120K for the best of the best. The other $30K is just down the toilet money.
 
I don't see 2-4s as very practical. a 3 X 2 setup can be very nice if you dial it in right, for everyday driving. I can't see 2 X 4 unless you have a really radical engine that can consume that level of fuel all at once.
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Re: Ebay time [andre1969] by lemko
May 25, 2008 (7:03 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (May 24, 2008 9:10 am)

I'd say those GM and Ford spies probably spiked the Plymouth designers' water cooler first. How do you explain the 1960 Plymouth styling? I'd say Plymouth designers had a bad trip that lasted through the 1962 model year and didn't recover until '63 or '64.

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