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#8 of 5068 TSX = entry-level sports sedan by verozahl Jul 30, 2002 (9:15 pm)
from Acura. Put that in your pipe and smoke it! Now explain to me why you really really need to go to BMW?
#9 of 5068 by robertsmx Jul 30, 2002 (9:26 pm)
Rumor is that European/JDM Accord will be imported as Acura TSX. This means... the car is smaller than the American Accord, and very likely, much sportier, especially if Honda decided to bring the sportiest trim (with features ofcourse). In Europe, the rumored engine choices are, 2.0 liter I-4 160 HP (same as base RSX) 2.4 liter I-4 180 HP 2.4 liter I-4 250 HP (AWD gasoline-electric hybrid and ATR replacement?) 2.2 liter I-4 140 HP/245 lb.-ft Common rail turbo diesel (Honda's first in house diesel engine)   And no, this won't be the TL replacement.
#10 of 5068 This sounds familiar by shades80 Jul 31, 2002 (7:32 am)
4 door, compact sports sedan..coming in a few mos...its the saab 9-3 right..sounds like honda and saab want the same niche market(high output 4's)...now wouldnt this be the same market as the is 300? So if you are intersted in this car wouldnt an inline 6 with more power be superior? but nobody is buying the IS ..thoughts?
#11 of 5068 by verozahl Jul 31, 2002 (7:37 am)
I see new IS300s... but I won't be buying one. Too dang expensive! They should bring the Altezza over as the IS200 with a 2.0L I4. For the price of a IS300, I'm saving dimes to upgrade to a BMW 3-Series.   Acura TSX has a good chance, wouldn't you say, of taking this segment? I mean, just like how the RSX owns the sport coupe/fastback segment.
#12 of 5068 The IS300... by ickes_mobile Jul 31, 2002 (8:24 am)
does seem overpriced. It's really small, even compared to the 3-series and A4. It's interior is also more Toyota than Lexus. The GS shows that Lexus can build a luxurious interior that is still sporting comparted against the LS and ES.
#13 of 5068 my hope by jjman Jul 31, 2002 (12:57 pm)
is that the TSX has as good if not better interior as the honda accord which now looks very luxurious. sitting in a honda should invoke much more emotion than before and will defintely be not be blah like a toyota
#14 of 5068 2003 Saab 9-3 by shades80 Jul 31, 2002 (1:27 pm)
Well what about the new 9-3..isnt this the exact car the TSX is going against..except saab with be turbo so better low end torque...Honda has to turbo/super charge this engine to achieve the same torque as the saab...i think the smallest turbo on the saab will be 175hp/202torque...can honda match or beat that? ps...03 saab will have eliminated torque steer...per the reviews..
#15 of 5068 IS300 by jjpcat Jul 31, 2002 (2:50 pm)
About 2 years ago, Lexus invited me to test drive IS300, together with BMW 328 and Audi A4 2.8 Quodro. IS300 is fast, has good brake, and handles well. But 328 is also good in those departments while it's more luxury and rides much better. I think 328 is well worth the extra $4-5k. A4, though quite luxury inside, is far from being a $30k+ sport sedan. Its engine was significantly weaker. Brake was mushy. And, its auto transmission sometime hesitated to downshift. Hope Audi fixed those problems with the new A4 3.0.   Before I went to that event, by looking at the spec, I was very upset by the small interior space of IS300 (especially for the back seats). But those numbers turned out to be very misleading. I know believe it's actually roomier than its 2 competitors. For example, while sitting at the back, my knees didn't touch the front seats.
#16 of 5068 Now explain to me why you really really need to go to BMW? by bksward Jul 31, 2002 (5:05 pm)
Because I doubt the TSX is going to be rear wheel drive or have more than four cylinders...   Or any low end torque for that matter.
#17 of 5068 Excuses by robertsmx Jul 31, 2002 (6:11 pm)
Well, we can draw conclusions about a car before it is driven (or for that matter, specs are revealed). Great. Now that answers my question about proliferation of internet in car buying decisions.   Don't forget, the current Accord Type-R engine (2.2 liter 212 HP) is a great engine, in a nice (and true) sport sedan. This car will be gone for a few months, and debut as 2004 model early next year. The article that provided a glimpse of the Euro Accord/TSX (link is in my earlier post) mentions the engine choices, and one of them (the likely candidate for next ATR) is... 2.4 liter, 250 HP engine.   There are only a few ways possible to get that kind of power output from the K24A. It has extremely long stroke (99 mm) so that would make it impossible to rev it to 8000 rpm or beyond to get that kind of power. Or, Honda could choose to use turbo charging. Or, they may be developing a 2.4 liter six cylinder engine, which with shorter stroke could allow plenty of revs and 250 HP.   But, 250 HP from 2.4 sounds like an engine that was showcased in RDX concept last year. Essentially the K24A, powering the front wheels and pumping out 200 HP. The rear wheels had 25 HP electric motors each, taking the total power output to 250 HP. Now, that is a good possibility. And if that happens, we may be talking about a 250 HP 6500 rpm engine, with peak torque of 250-260 lb.-ft 2000 rpm, and 30-40 mpg around town mileage as well, as well as an AWD configuration in a sport sedan.

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