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I have a 2004 Milano red TSX with less than 16,000 km (10,000 miles) and have been noticing that the paint on the front end of my car is chipping away. I have been to the dealership and showed them the car and was told by the service rep that this was the worst case of chipping he had seen. The service department contacted Honda and I was told that their stance is normal wear and tear. I washed the car after the winter and there was no problem. But after the thaw I started noticing white spots on the hood like someone threw a handful of salt on the front end of my car. There are no dents where the paint has been removed. It seems like the paint is being chipped away by the sand on the road (I live in Montreal). I'm going to start filing a complaint with Honda myself to see what happens. I don't feel that a car thats not even a year old should have rust forming on the hood. I owned a 99 EL and it looked brand new after four years compared to my new TSX. What should I do? Who should I contact? Has anyone else seen this problem? Are there any test to prove that there is a paint defect? Could anyone help me out with this? |
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Replying to: ronabi (Jun 17, 2005 8:48 pm) As good as the units are they do not come close to Acura's nav system. Even the little things like "telling" it to find an ATM machine is a convenience that the hand units don't have. Once you understand giving verbal commands its safer than taking your attention off the road to program the nav unit. Also, the resale on a vehicle with a nav unit is going to be considerably higher as well easier to sell. It's still too earlier to tell exactly what those resale figures will be, but all indicators suggest that the nav unit is a good investment and will provide a good return. |
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Replying to: storyman (Jun 18, 2005 7:23 am) Leasing companies know this and assign lower residual value percentages for vehicles with nav.
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Replying to: 307web (Jun 18, 2005 8:44 am) My preference is not to lease unless it is through a corporation for tax purposes. The only exception I've seen are those few individuals who worked for the auto maker's corp. office. They get a sweet deal on leases. Of course this is just an opinion and it really depends on an individual's lifestyle to say if a lease is a good idea or not. I've had too many friends who have been stung at the end of a lease because of mileage or revised resale value. On the point of shelling out 2 grand on the hopes of higher resale value I completely agree with you. However, I don't agree with your estimation of a few hundred dollars on resale. Most drivers who don't currently have an OEM nav system don't know of their value/use. As word spreads on its value the demand on a used vehicle with nav will likely increase--in my estimation. As for after market nav systems they really don't compare to the OEM that is in the TSX. Yes, they will get you from point A to point B. If that is all you need then the after market solution is a good fit. If you like the amenities, like voice control and voice navigation, then OEM is a better idea. It seems that your decisions are based on $$$, while mine is based on convenience of use. It still comes down to lifestyle.
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Replying to: 307web (Jun 18, 2005 8:44 am) |
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Just for laughs, I went to the Edmunds Used Car Appraiser and punched in a 2002 Acura TL in my zip code. The resale value of the navigation system was $887 on trade-in, $945 for private party, and $1,157 for dealer retai. Thus, the resale is bad from the standpoint that the navigation system's value depreciates more than the overall vehicle. That's not surprising since that holds true for accessories in general. However, the resale value is more than just a few hundred dollars after three years. The other thing I've noticed is that sometimes it's easier to unload a vehicle with the navigation system. Ultimately, the navigation system isn't a significant value-add for resale, and one buys it because one needs it or wants it. The Acura navigation system is probably the best stock system in the industry, and it has significant advantages over portable systems. If you're certain you don't want it, don't get it and save your money. If you THINK you want it, go ahead and get it. It's your money, your preferences. I have seen MANY Acura buyers who were on the fence, regret not purchasing their vehicle with the navigation system. A number of Acura forums have the common question of whether they can get the factory system refitted to their vehicle (no). I have seen very, very few navigation system buyers regret getting it. Usually the main complaint is that Acura is slow in releasing recent mapping updates. E.g. Alpine will release map updates for its own systems but Acura's updates will lag a year or two behind. That may affect folks who drive in fast-growing areas.
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Replying to: wmquan (Jun 18, 2005 11:12 am) The original post called nav an "investment" you should buy to increase resale value. Clearly it adds much less than the original cost so it is a money loser. Most or all leasing companies have a lower residual percentage for vehicles with nav for that reason. Nav and only a few other options have this problem (mostly other expensive options that add little resale value such as rear seat entertainment centers). Most other options do not hurt the residuals.
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Replying to: 307web (Jun 18, 2005 6:41 pm) It appears that KBB has a vastly different resale value than Edmunds Used Car Appraisal! I wonder which one is more "correct." Agreed that navigation is not an "investment." |
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For anyone in the south with Parchment or Black interior? I want to get the Nighthawk Black non-nav. Torn on interior choices. Parchment seems like the carpet/seats would be hard to keep clean, but the black interior seems like you would bake alive in it (even with tint and a sunshade). It gets 100+ blazing sunny degrees in my area for a couple of months every summer  . In the parchment, I would think that if you wear shorts in this heat, (sorry to be gross) that when you first get in, leg sweat would eventually discolor the seats, perforated or not. Too bad they don't offer the Camel interior like they do in the TL. At least it would be less noticeable. Which should I get? By the way... anybody else wonder why in the world they made the Parchment dash black? Glare? Also, if you have the black interior and have tint, did you get the 35% all around or darker in the rear of the back and does it help with the heat?
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Replying to: lainey (Jun 20, 2005 8:59 am) The parchment will be more difficult to maintain...but it really is cooler in temp and more unique in appearance. A good test of the black interior is to sit in one at the dealership. Try sitting in one that is even in the shade...and you will still feel some retained/reflected heat. For parchment....get some all weather floor mats and you won't have to worry about the rugs. To clean the seats...wipe them periodically and use leather cleaner and conditioner. Stays well. One thing you will find with the parchment is that it has faux wood trim versus the titianium interior trims. Looks great in the TL...so so win the TSX. As for Carmel interior...in the TL...rather orangy. An acquired taste I did not get. Black dash with the parchment....It is the distinct Acura look. That is also with the TL...and believe with the RL. |
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