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#22 of 51 Bull Hockey!!!
Jan 02, 2003 (9:07 am)
I've owned Mazdas since before Ford got their hands into Mazda -- nonstop since 1991. Let me tell you from personal experience -- Ford's money may have helped, but Ford's mechanical influence has really messed up Mazda's reliability! Ask anyone with the last-generation automatic 626 or a 1994-96 B-series pickup! (a.k.a. Ford Ranger)
Jan 03, 2003 (7:50 pm)
(this is big) doesn't require a cool down for the turbo.
Does the subie have an oiler that runs after the engine is shut down? If not, I wouldn't run a turbo up to temp and not let it cool off unless you like instant carbon clog in your impeller bearings.
Just curious: I haven't looked at the wrx in detail.
Jan 03, 2003 (7:51 pm)
I loved my truck...hehehe. disc/drum anyone?
Just kidding! happy new year!
Jan 04, 2003 (10:50 am)
So I got a call from the dealer on the 2nd, and he said that they got 1, and only 1, in the dealership. Needless to say, I just got done with the test drive, and I already signed on the dotted line. I can hardly wait to pick it up and drive it off the lot next week. They are getting up to 4 of them in stock, but I didn't want to wait for the orange, which was my color of choice.
#26 of 51 Audia8q-you base your comment on what
Jan 04, 2003 (6:41 pm)
There has been no increase in quality since ford bailed mazda out. I have been repairing mazdas since 86 and I can tell you there has not been an increase but rather a decrease in quality. The only thing I can say that has gotten better is the way in which we diagnose problems, but no actual reduction of problems. The transmission which Mdaffron refers to has been in the 626 since 94 and is there in the last model. 9 years without making any helpful changes to a major part of the car? We replace at least one of those a week. Every mazda dealer keeps at least one in stock. Can you say TRIBUTE? Here is an engineering nightmare. If this vehicle doesnt get totally revamped soon, it wont last as long as the wonderful navajo.
#27 of 51 Thanks rotarykid!
Jan 07, 2003 (5:00 am)
Spoken from a man who's "down in the trenches" and not (sorry maltb) sitting in Mazda's ivory tower!
Jan 07, 2003 (8:54 am)
When you make your money by only dealing with problems it's hard to maintain a good perspective of the big picture. Way back when I spent all day looking at warranty claims, I thought every car was piece of crap.
#29 of 51 Maybe so ...
Jan 07, 2003 (9:30 am)
But it's hard to forgive a dealership's having to replace a transmission a week on a particular car model ... and I don't care how big a town his dealership is in. Mazda 626s don't sell like hotcakes in any town.
Jan 07, 2003 (3:38 pm)
I base my information of 20 years on dealership experience and as Consumer reports also backs up the increase in quality.
But I guess Consumer Reports is like the national inquirer to you...LOL
#31 of 51 I just have to ask
Jan 07, 2003 (8:56 pm)
what type of "dealership experience" do you have audia8q? Please dont tell me that what I know is second to what YOU read. "believe half of what you see and none of what you hear". not sure who said that, but it applies in this case.
and maltb, you are 100% correct about all cars being pieces of crap. No one car line has the market cornered on qulity. Honda automobiles are very popular,yes, but they have the same problems as mazda, nissan, toyota, etc,. I think mazda makes a very good product. I presently own 3, and have owned several others. Are these cars of better quality than my old 85 626LX that has over 200k, and the guy I sold it to 6 years ago still drives? No chance in heck. MY 92 626LX w/150k+ will be driven till it rots away(here in CT it wont be too much longer). That car has only had exhaust, maintenance, one ball joint, one inner tie rod, and a new radio put in it. I have only changed 1 light bulb in that car since new. Sunroof, power windows, locks etc., no problems. THere isnt a 93-up 626 out there that can make these claims(that has any real miles on it).