Chevy Impala 2004 Redesign - READ ONLY

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#169 of 233 by atbear Mar 15, 2003 (12:09 am)
Saab is made by GM.... anyways.. y'all are without hope or reason...
#170 of 233 by johnclineii Mar 15, 2003 (2:40 am)
If SAAB is made by GM, then Volvo is made by Ford. And it is a very short hop to Intrepid is made by Mercedes. As was said in the parent group for quite some time: IMPALA On with the show...(SHO?)
#171 of 233 by magnetophone Mar 15, 2003 (4:23 pm)
I know Saab's a GM product. I still like Saab regardless of that.
#172 of 233 Band-aids by vcjumper Mar 15, 2003 (6:07 pm)
Don't forget Kompressor equiped MB's. Why don't they just make them as powerful without them? Just aweful . I mean look how happy Audi S4 buyers/enthusiasts where when the new S4 was announced with a NA V8 rather than a TT v6.
#173 of 233 by regfootball Mar 16, 2003 (12:17 am)
yeah the kompressor Benzs are a way to sell a 'starter' 4 cylinder Benz that won't fall on its arse from a dead stop. Then they can advertise a Cclass 'starting at 29,900!' even though they just want to get you in the showroom to see the v6 model at 8 grand more. I'm not so much opposed to turbos and superchargers in four cylinders as the fours usually have very small displacement. A saab turbo 4 is 2 litres. I wouldn't expect 265hp out of a 4 cyl non turbo. But in the v6 game, I think the basic design of the motor (valvetrain) and size (displacement) should be enough to get serious horsepower without really needing a supercharger or turbo. Shoould be able to get 240hp or so without one.
#174 of 233 by johnclineii Mar 16, 2003 (3:59 am)
People like you are one reason that superchargers are made. It is torque, especially low in the power band, that matters in making a car accelerate quickly. All that horsepower does is keep it moving. Torquey engines often have relatively unimpressive horsepower ratings. But, the public looks for horsepower ratings. I doubt 5 out of 100 could even tell you what torque is. Thus the supercharged engine on the Impala. The better question is why do they STILL keep the Series III for Pontiac and not let Chevy use it? I see little reason to even consider an Impala when the new GTP is out with the newly improved engine. ESPECIALLY since it, unlike the Chevy, comes in colours other than black and even with cloth seats, should one so desire.
#175 of 233 GTP vs Impala by vcjumper Mar 16, 2003 (7:38 am)
Back seat room and comfort.. When I checked it out at the auto show, the GTP struck me as pretty cramped back there for a 3500lb W-Body.
#176 of 233 by regfootball Mar 16, 2003 (9:15 am)
no v6 should NEED a supercharger. Any v6 will have enough torque so it doesn't gag on its own lunch. Rarely in the US is a v6 smaller than 2.5 or 3.0 litres. too many four cylinders have too small a displacement which is why a blower seems to be handy. If they just made the four cylinder a little bigger, it may make a blower a waste of time. For example, the Nissan SpecV has a 2.5 litre four that gets as much power as Mazda's 2.0 with a turbo. And Saab has a 2.0 trying to lug a big car around, hence add a blower. Maybe Saab should just enlarge the displacement. The Altima does wonderfully with its larger 2.5 litre four cylinder. The Altima 4 cyl. is more refined than and can outdo a 3.1 Grand Prix and be within striking distance of the 3.8 Grand Prix. Oddly, with the 3800, it seems to need more displacement AND a blower to get up in the 240hp range. Take away the blower and it makes power more similar to other cars with engines in the 3.0 litre range.
#177 of 233 by atbear Mar 16, 2003 (10:19 am)
"But in the v6 game, I think the basic design of the motor (valvetrain) and size (displacement) should be enough to get serious horsepower without really needing a supercharger or turbo. Shoould be able to get 240hp or so without one." Yeah, but where is their torque? Huh.... that's right they have no where close to 300 ft/lbs like the '97 GTP does. "Oddly, with the 3800, it seems to need more displacement AND a blower to get up in the 240hp range. Take away the blower and it makes power more similar to other cars with engines in the 3.0 litre range." You still don't understand that it's a different type of engine do you? Why are you so hung up on displacement and superchargers? What's the big deal? It makes the power you could want AND it have great fuel economy... what is your problem with it???
#178 of 233 by regfootball Mar 16, 2003 (11:28 am)
sounds like you're the one with 'issues'.