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BMW 5 Series, Sedan, Wagon
#500 of 540 I just viewed two new E60's up close today! (long)
Oct 07, 2003 (8:28 pm)
Here are my impressions of the new 2004 530i. In person, the side body panels has a muscular look to it, while the "Dame Edna" eyebrow light cluster is less pronounced than the pictures, but still not as aesthetically pleasing as I think it should be. The pointed up corners of the light cluster was IMO, unnecessary.
The back of the car design looks like an afterthought. A cross between a Honda and a Subaru. In person, the trunklid still looks bad, just the way it looked in the numerous pictures I've viewed. Not too long ago, I read an article in Automobile magazine, where Bangle was quoted as saying "The 5 series looks better in lighter colors, while the 7 series looks better in darker hues." Well, I would have to disagree with his assessment of colors with the new 5 series. I saw two new 5's. One was jet black and the other one was titanium silver. The black car looked much better in person than the lighter silver car. The black car also enhanced the front end of the vehicle, making the signature grills look less "Pontiac-like" than what I have seen in pictures. Overall, the exterior was OKAY, but nothing so wonderful and radical that I had to have this new generation 5.
What I was really disappointed in was the interior. I have a 2003 525i with PP, SP and xenon lights, and my car's interior feels larger, and the fit and finish seems better. I love the fact that there is wood surrounding the entire interior of my car. The new 5 has a thick wood enhancement across the lower middle of the dashboard and on the console, but that's it. The doors are leather and chrome, and I thought the quality was lacking. My business partner noticed one of the chrome door handles was already badly scratched. Other impressions of the interior: (1) the headliner seemed cheap, (2) more cupholders, which is good, but the one for the driver is misplaced badly, (3) the climate control is back to turn buttons on the dash, like my old 1995 5 series. I'm sure this has to do with the new I Drive, in that I sat in the driver's seat, but did not turn the vehicle on, (4) the back seat did not feel roomier than my back seat, nor did it real feel any wider, (5) the back armrest is nice with two large cupholders built in, and finally, (6) I liked the spaceousness of the trunk, which appeared to be slightly larger inside than the E39 version.
In sum, I was not very impressed with this new iteration of the 5 and I am thrilled that I pulled the trigger on a new 2003. I will test drive the car this Friday, when I drive several of the BMW models on behalf of the Susan Komen Breast Cancer fund. I will give you my impression of the drive quality after this Friday.
#501 of 540 ateixeira
Oct 07, 2003 (9:17 pm)
RE: Post # 494, exactly!
#502 of 540 just bought "old body style"
Oct 08, 2003 (7:07 am)
I expect those of you that just bought a 5 at the end of model cycle to love your cars and be confident that you made a great decision, and you did. After all, you just spent 40 grand or so who wants to go around thinking that you mande a 40 g mistake. It goes without saying that the car you bought is fabulous. If you were in the market today you may have a bit more of an open mind about the advancements in the new 5.....keep in mind also that this is the same company that built your car.
Having said that as an impartial expert in the field I can assure you that the new 5 is a better car. Better comfort, better roominess, better handling, better ergonomics, better technology, better safety, better style.
It's really the only car that's better than our old 5's.
Oct 08, 2003 (7:18 am)
I would add that among the wagons, the Audi Avants take the cake. From some angles the wagons look better than the sedans.
The Benz wagons aren't as nicely sorted as their sedan counterparts, but they're still OK.
Saab has a nice looking wagon, too.
Any non-camo pics of the new 5 wagon out there?
#504 of 540 ateixeira... wagons
Oct 08, 2003 (7:54 am)
A high-performance wagon with rear convertible top would be the ultimate total vehicle in my book. Totally agree with your Audi take. Problem is, my distrust in Audi reliability goes back to the early 70s and I'm not hearing what I would like from current Audi buyers. At half the price, the Outback suits. Would like to see more commitment here from BMW and Porsche. Cayenne and 90s excess... what a shame.
Oct 08, 2003 (8:06 am)
bmw wagon sales in the states are not good. A 'wagon' option might be X3 which should arrive at dealers the day after thanksgiving (demo models). To me it looks like a wagon anyway and no doubt will be the segment leader in performance, safety and technology. I like what I've seen so far.
Oct 08, 2003 (8:37 am)
Price shop an X5 and a 5er wagon, though, and the wagon is a better value. It also handles and performs better, IMO.
Bless BMW for offering wagons here, they are all too rare.
I drove them back-to-back at an event where they were donating money to that cancer foundation for every mile you drove. I sampled every car they had. Purely for charitable purposes, of course!
Oct 08, 2003 (8:54 am)
remains to be seen if E60 wagon will be available in the states. Correct, juice, it's a dynamite car and looks incredible with sport pk. They are a good value upon purchase but a lot of dealers will turn and run if someone wants to trade one in. At auction they are significantly cheaper than comparable sedans.
#508 of 540 X5 and 5er wagon
Oct 08, 2003 (9:00 am)
Re: Price shop an X5 and a 5er wagon, though, and the wagon is a better value. It also handles and performs better, IMO.
I like the 5 wagon, and I would like it even more if they would put the 3.0 liter in it. The wagon handles better than the X5, but the X5 is superior to the E39 wagon in terms of roominess and hauling kids and all the obligatory things that go with them. Ever try to haul 2 kids across town w/o cupholders?
Just MHO. Buy and drive what you like,
#509 of 540 bmwseller...
Oct 08, 2003 (10:06 am)
I am looking forward to test driving the new 5 this Friday, but I have to respectfully disagree that the new 5's "ergonomics" are better than my 2003. In fact I found the ergonomics to be very weak in head-to-head comparison and I love my interior and the fit and finish so much better than the new 5. To say that the new interior is a bit austere is putting it mildly. I HATE the side door treatments and the chrome. IMO, it cheapens the car.
I am willing however, to have an open mind still and look forward to driving the new car, especially testing out the new adaptive steering and the new and less complicated I-Drive system.
BTW, where is the central locking system button on the new car? I could not for the life of me find it in the cockpit. Is it attached to the key/driver's knob or I-Drive?