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#553 of 576 Torque Steer
Apr 24, 2003 (5:37 pm)
alpha01: "Torque steer has very little to do with horsepower, which is the figure you cite in reference to the Accord. The 240hp Accord produces only 212lb ft. of torque, where as the Maxima produces 255lb. ft. There in lies the problem."
Yes, that makes sense when you think about it, being that the Nissan Maxima produces more Torque in their FWD Maxima than any manufacturer I can think of ...
however, even back in 1995 when I was test driving a Nissan Sentra SE-R, it had terrible torque steer. All I did was punch the accelerator then all of a sudden the steering wheel had a mind of its own. The thing only had 140 HP, and torque lbs/ft was probably around 140 as well!
I only mentioned the 240HP rating of the Accord because I did not want my comparison to be confused with the four cylinder model. I probably should have stated the "V6 Accord "rather than the HP rating.
There is always going to be a torque-steer problem on high torque/hp FWD vehicles, that is a given. But I think most of the reviewers are complaining about is the fact that Nissan vehicles tend to be the worse of the bunch.
Take for example, the Nissan Sentra Spec-V. This vehicle has only 180 lb/ft of torque, but that thing has torque steer problem as well. This review sums it up: "Its hard to enjoy what is otherwise a nice, little sporty sedan with all that torque steer."
http://cartalk.cars.com/Info/Testdrive/Reviews/nissan-sentra-2002- - - - - .html
Going by your example, the Sentra should not be exhibiting that much torque steer because it only has 180 torque, far less than the Accord's 212. But clearly this is not the case.
Dont get me wrong, I love the Nissan Maxima. I always wanted one, and I am serioulsy considering the 2004 model. However, I think Nissan really needs to address this issue.
Nissan is probably using unequal length drive shafts, which is probably the main reason why their FWD cars tend to turn to the right when "torque steer" rears its ugly head. If you look at the Maxima's engine bay, you will notice the engine is positioned to the right.
Oh well, I still like the new 2004 Maxima.
#554 of 576 Been there, heard that...
Apr 24, 2003 (6:03 pm)
The Acura CL-S' torque rating (232 lb/ft) is much closer to the Maxima than the Accord V6, and it keeps torque steer well under control. And the CL-S is even closer to the Altima (246 lb/ft), another Nissan that is frequently criticized for excessive torque steer. At this level, 14 or 23 more lb/ft of torque doesn't take a powerful car from "the torque rating that doesn't cause torque steer" to "the torque rating that does cause torque steer".
Besides, I think the staff of magazines such as Car and Driver gets the fact that there is a correlation between torque and torque steer, yet they're the ones who criticize Nissan for their inability to tame torque steer on the Altima and Maxima. Clearly, "lots more torque" is no excuse for the torque steer problem. And Nissan should be able to do much better.
Apr 25, 2003 (6:29 am)
The Altima/Maxima platform does in fact use unequal-length half shafts, and that is probably the main reason they have so much torque steer.
I still think Nissan should have offered an AWD system on the Maxima. That would have cured the torque-steer problem and given it a more legitimate claim to sportiness.
#556 of 576 torque steer
Apr 25, 2003 (6:43 pm)
I do not see this as a big problem on my 5 speed 98 SE. I take off from a standing start rather conservatively and then increase my speed gradually. This car will always spin wheels when I release the clutch abruptly. Torque steer generally can be annoying only if you really stomp on the gas from a standing start and do not hold onto the steering wheel very hard. How many of us really drive like this habitually? Jackrabbit starts are not very economical for one thing.
#557 of 576 I35 vs 03 Maxima GLE
Apr 25, 2003 (6:51 pm)
It appears that the 03 I35 may be a better deal. Because of the G35, they are discontinuing the I35 and there should be some good deals out there on the remaining ones. I compared one to an 03 GLE and the price was only about 1500 more, but the car looked far more luxurious inside. Also, the warranty cannot be beat (60K, 4 years) This is better than the Mercedes warranty (50K, 5 years). The only problem is you cannot get a manual transmission I35. There is new 6 speed G 35 out there though and it is gorgeous!
#558 of 576 I35 vs 03 Maxima GLE
Apr 25, 2003 (6:53 pm)
It appears that the 03 I35 may be a better deal. Because of the G35, they are discontinuing the I35 and there should be some good deals out there on the remaining ones. I compared one to an 03 GLE and the price was only about 1500 more, but the car looked far more luxurious inside. Also, the warranty cannot be beat (60K, 4 years) This is better than the Mercedes warranty (50K, 5 years.) the only problem is you cannot get a manual transmission I35. There is new 6 speed G 35 out there though and it is gorgeous!
#559 of 576 Torque steer
Apr 25, 2003 (9:49 pm)
A lot of the issue has to do with how the Maxima is marketed and positioned. Look at the ads... they're definitely sticking with the high performance sports sedan image. Even though most of us don't drive like they show in the ads, some people also feel that, if the car is truly a high performance sports sedan, it should be able to handle the power that it has available without exhibiting undesirable behavior such as torque steer.
I agree with you that aggressive driving isn't economical, but if they had really meant the Maxima to be economical, they wouldn't have given it a 265 hp engine. So, depending on your driving style, some people may experience torque steer more than others... the point is that, with a "high performance sports sedan", you really shouldn't experience it at all.
#560 of 576 Trading in my 02 Altima for 04 Maxima
Apr 26, 2003 (10:59 am)
I love the new Maxima. It's sporty and classy at the same time. I haven't taken it for a test drive yet, but plan to do so today and I'm sure I'll love it even more. This is my question. I bought the 02 Altima last August and do like it, a lot! But that Maxima is sweet!!! How does trading in a car work? I inherited a 10 yr old Nissan Sentra that I drove for 3 yrs, so I'm new at buying new cars.
I don't plan to do anything yet, but want to be prepared when hubby and I are ready to wheel and deal. My Altima 2.5S has leather seats, sunroof, wheel locks and something else I can't remember. No power seats. Dealer said that Ameritech bought a fleet of Altima 2.5S models and reneged on the contract. Therefore, he spruced them up with incentives so as to move them off his lot. Not sure if I believe story, but it was a great deal for me.
Anyhow, the Blue Book value of my car is $17,000. How would a trade in work? Thanks
Apr 26, 2003 (12:50 pm)
went to the NY auto show earlier today...sat in the 2004 Maxima 3.5SE in Radiant Ember with the Burnt Orange Leather and Elite Package. Didn't really like the color but overall exterior was okay but i do not like that dash. the line right down the middle seems like each part is for the driver or passenger. seats are comfy tho
#562 of 576 islandborn
Apr 26, 2003 (2:31 pm)
When you trade in a car, you will pay the difference between the price of the new vehicle and the vehicle you are trading in, plus the tax on that difference. If you owe money on your trade in, the balance will be then added to the final figure. Realistically, the best you can hope for on your trade is the Kelly Blue book trade in value. Many dealers honor KBB trade in values because they are already much lower than the NADA trade in values and somewhat less insulting that the auction "black book" values. Beware that the Kelly Blue book (kbb.com) trade in values depend heavily on the condition of your trade. To lower your trade in value, many dealers will insist that there is no such thing as a vehicle in "excellent condition" (unless, of course they are selling it to you), and that each car needs something to be "excellent". The trade in value on the car in "good" condition will be much lower. Do not let them play that game if you have premium vehicle to trade.
Also, remember that if there are any rebates on the new vehicle you are buying, these rebates are taxed, i.e. they are subtracted from the final price after the tax has been added, not before.