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#6 of 1033 The Right Move? by leew3 Oct 04, 2002 (7:44 am)
Yes, moving to a midsize is the right move. The Dokota has been kicking Chev. and Fords rearend since it came out in '97. Hopefully they will install the I-6 270hp engine in it or chevrolet will be wasting their time. Maybe they could have a "SS" version with the I-6 to compete with the Dokota R/T. If Chevrolet does this right for a change and listen to what consumers want they could have a big winner. I know the I-6 will get better gas mileage than the 4.7 liter Dokota and will have more horsepower.
#7 of 1033 colorado by docralpho Oct 05, 2002 (6:01 pm)
I wonder if anyone has links to sites with further Colorado info? I have been trying to follow the development of this vehicle, as well as the new Toyota Tacoma 4 door Prerunner. The new Toyota is said to be a Dakota-sized vehicle, too, with a new V6 and possibly a V8. The competition is great for those of us looking to buy a new vehicle. I believe the 4 door compact or midsize pickups might be a very functional vehicle, having SUV and pickup qualities. I do wish, however, that they got better gas mileage. Time will tell.
#8 of 1033 More Info by got1b Oct 08, 2002 (2:12 pm)
I also would like more info. I like the size of the Dodge, but the quality just is not there. I can't waite to see what Toyota and Chevy come out with, but information is so sparse. Anything would be great!!!
#9 of 1033 Info by tbcreative Oct 09, 2002 (12:03 am)
These are the best sources of information on GM vehicles and pick-ups that I know of: http://www.gm-trucks.com/ http://www.cheersandgears.com/ http://www.off-road.com/chevy/ http://www.pickuptruck.com/ Hope that helps! – TB
#10 of 1033 GM and Chevrolet Don't Make Sense by hsvgrinch Oct 18, 2002 (10:49 am)
GM is completely off their rocker. The 270hp I6 in the trailblazer and envoy sucks gas like no tomorrow. Why their spend the bucks to develop 1940's or earlier technology in an inline 6 is beyond me when they had the idea engine for these size vehicles in the 4.8L V-8 that they have already have in production. I drive a 01 Sonoma Highrider and have been waiting for the replacement truck but will have to consider something other than an inline 5 as being offered by GM. May Toyota will have something decent in the new Tacoma. Only problem with that is Toyota is so proud of their trucks that buying one at a decent price is next to impossible. I had hoped for better from GM but should have known better. They continue to have their head in rectual defilade.
#11 of 1033 I want the drugs that the GM designers are on by axxemann Oct 22, 2002 (10:42 pm)
Man.... If they couldn't make a weak truck worse.   For some reason, despite the flaws of the S-series, I love them.   2wd trucks to me, are useless. Give me a 4x4 and I'll be happy. Jeep's been kicking EVERYONES backside in that area since word go. Why? Two words: LIVE AXLE. Look at the CJ, YJ, XJ, and TJs... Fairly small 4x4s with live axles up front. Makes for awesome strength, better articulation, and easy upgrade. What does GM run? IFS. It's a pain to lift, a pain to maintain, and damn near impossible to fit big tires onto. Sure, you can buy subframe lifts, crank the torsion bars and then add shackles in the back, but you're only making a bad setup worse. There's a reason why 4-wheelers call it Inferior Front Suspension. There's limited flex, and too many things to break.   Not to mention the weak drivetrain. The engine choices were positively miserable until 1988, and still are. Yes, you can fit a 350 into an S10 engine bay. It's tight, but it fits. Then there's the ever popular 700R4 that was in the S10s and many other GM vehicles... The NP207 found in early 4x4 models wasn't the best either. I still say the best transfer case found in the S-series was the NP231. The scaled down 10-bolt rear axle is a joke too. Some people say that the only good thing going for the S-series is the dimensions of the 2 door Blazer & Jimmy, with it being only 100 or so inches long, and 60 inches wide. Makes for a great turning radius and a very nimble trail machine, if you can get past its fatal flaws.   I don't really care what GM does with the 2wd midsize/compact trucks, but if they really want to compete in the 4x4 market that's been dominated by Jeep and Old Toyotas, they should start by offering a Blazer package with live axles, front and rear coil suspension, a beefed up transmission and transfer case, and solid V8 power. Limited Slip diffs and/or lockers would be an added touch.   But I'm not holding my breath for it.   This is why I am modifying my 88 2door Blazer.
#12 of 1033 Do What??? by fractalman89 Oct 23, 2002 (7:21 am)
What is wrong with this picture? Getting rid of the S-10 models is completely outrageous! *pass the crack-pipe---puff-puff* Oh! wait its a good idea! Lets nolonger aim at all those folks that own an older model S10 and would like a newer model! lets take a whole new twist in the truck market and forget everything we have learned!!! Like another poster said"What about all those S10's out there?" Its NOT a dead breed of truck, even tho GM would like us to believe.Sure, go ahead and make the colorado but give us back the S10!!! I am a proud owner of a 1989 S15 Jimmy 4x4, but you know what? I won't be buying another GM product! I am most assuredly NOT a SoccerDad that needs a poser-mobile to go to and from the mall!!!! My next new vehical will be from a company that knows its roots and is keeping it simple-JEEP. GeneralMotors, you lost a fan today!
#13 of 1033 marketing research? by oldblues10 Oct 23, 2002 (2:24 pm)
I for one know there is a HUGE market for 4wd vehicles. now Jeep has it right they've kept it simple, for the most part at least. now what I want to know is why GM, Ford, Dodge, and Toyota are doing catering to the grandmas and grandpas that want their smooth ride in a 4wd vehicle. it's a truck (or SUV) it's not supposed to be a car that can hall stuff, it's supposed to get you from point A to point B halling a load over the rocks, through the mud, up the hill, and through the woods.         I would bet that if GM want's to compete with the Dakota, for one they need to put in a V8, not an I5. secondly they should put on a live front. that's when they will be able to compete with the Dakotas.         as for not buying GM, I wont go as far as to say that. but I will say I'm not happy with the way the company is going, and I will deffinently look else where before deciding on a GM product or not.
#14 of 1033 A step in the wrong direction by ruffryda420 Oct 24, 2002 (8:54 pm)
I'll agree that ever since GM made their trucks "curvy", I wouldn't buy one. I own an '85 4x4 S10, and am horrified that GM would kill such a successful line of trucks.   IFS is not my ideal setup(by a long shot), but my truck is surprisingly tough. I certainly could complain about the 10 bolt rear diff I have too, but I haven't blown it up yet, so I won't complain about that.   Ford is conquering the market for 3/4 and bigger trucks, and why is that? a solid front axle is the key stone here. I'd like to see a Dana 30 (a D30 if nothing else) come stock under the front of an S-truck.   Sounds like the new 2.8 is going to be about as good as the one in my truck. Give me a break, an I4, I wouldn't buy it, would you? An I5, well, we're up in displacement but I still wouldn't buy it, give me good a good ol' pushrod V8 thank you very much.   I wouldn't be surprised if GM equipped the Colorado with a single speed transfer case, and in that case, you might as well go with independent rear suspension too. As long as we're hopping on the soccer mom band wagon, how about just calling the whole 4 wheel drive quits in leu of all wheel drive. not in my driveway!   I'm about done ranting for now, although as more information abounds, i'm sure I'll find something else to complain about.
#15 of 1033 Whats wrong with inline engines? by bustdatazz Nov 13, 2002 (7:28 am)
I keep hearing this bruhaha about how awful that Inline Engines are but think about these common sense points. Inline Engines last longer, a V Engine has gravity pulling on the pistons and transferring it to the rings which causes uneven wear and in the end decreased engine life. The Inline engines put all of the stress and strain on the bearing of the crank. Yes, you get more horsepower but less torque. How many little inline 4 cyclinder engines do you see running after hundreds of thousands of miles do you see? Which engines last longer in diesels? The V engines (International in Fords and the Detroit Diesel in GM's) or the inline Cummins in Dodge? I own a 51 Chevrolet with 150,000 miles on a 216 CI inline 6. It still runs fine (only 92 horsepower but a TON of torque). The only thing that I hope is that they put either cast iron sleeves or use a cast iron block in the engine. I am wary of all aluminum blocks.

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